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Vegas Golden Knights, ATT SN RM, and blackouts?

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by thasolution, Sep 26, 2017.

  1. thasolution

    thasolution New Member

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    Hi all,

    I thought I would post my question here, since I cannot seem to find an answer (even with talking to DISH reps directly over the phone).

    I live in Las Vegas, Nevada. We have our first ever major league sports team in the NHL's Vegas Golden Knights (VGK). The Vegas Golden Knights have a contract with AT&T SportsNet Rocky Mountain to show the VGK games on their network. Locally, here in Las Vegas, the VGK games are not to be blacked out on ATT SN RM. However, it seems I have an issue with DISH over this. The first VGK game of the preseason (VGK @ Vancouver) was not shown on ATT SN RM's main DISH channel, but was on an ALT channel. The game was not blacked out at that time. Now tomorrow's game is facing the same situation of having to be shown on an ALT channel, and IS showing as blacked out. My question is why? Here's the main details:

    1. DirecTV, CenturyLink, and DISH are the only providers of AT&T SportsNet Rocky Mountain in Las Vegas.
    2. AT&T SportsNet Rocky Mountain has a contract with the VGK to show their games on their network.
    3. I understand the blackout rules of the NHL. If the channel (ATT SN RM) is broadcasting the game, it should be available in the market that the VGK claims territorial rights. VGK claims Las Vegas. Last season, the LA Kings and Anaheim Ducks claimed Las Vegas, so the games were not blacked out here in Las Vegas. This season, they do not claim Vegas as their territory, so those games have been blacked out here.
    4. The game tomorrow is between the LA Kings and VGK, so I understand there may be a conflict if the LA Kings game feed on Prime Ticket is shown instead of ATT SN RM. However, if the ALT feed is an ATT SM RM feed, it should NOT be blacked out.
    5. There is no way to tell if the ALT feed is Prime Ticket or ATT SN RM because it doesn't show that on the guide.
    I just want an answer to a simple question: Since DISH Network carries AT&T SportsNet Rocky Mountain, am I going to see all of the VGK games that ATT SM RM shows here in Las Vegas? Cox Cable does not carry ATT SN RM, so they will not show the VGK games. DirecTV and CenturyLink PRISM DO carry ATT SN RM and will show tthe VGK games on ATT SN RM. DISH Network is the enigma....they are not mentioned by the VGK as showing the games, yet they carry the channel.

    If a DISH Network rep or anyone with insider knowledge can look into this situation, I would appreciate it. I am just a local Las Vegas Vegas Golden Knights fan trying to make sure I will see the games locally.
     
  2. KyL416

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    The Golden Knights are on a seperate Vegas area subfeed and not the main Rocky Mountain feed, so unless Dish strikes a new deal you won't get the games. They're still negotiating deals with additional providers, so more may be added by the time the regular season starts.

    The main Rocky Mountain feed is based in Denver and doesn't carry the Golden Knights because of the Avalanche. Basically it's a whole split rights thing since the NHL, MLB and NBA have different territories. So they have the main Colorado feed which only gets the Rockies, and then the rest of their existing territory comprised of Utah, Idaho, Montana and Wyoming which gets the Utah Jazz, Rockies and now the Golden Knights, while the newly added Vegas/Nevada areas only get the Golden Knights.
     
  3. thasolution

    thasolution New Member

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    So if I get this straight, AT&T SportsNet Rocky Mountain is actually three different feeds? If that's the case, what feed supplies Vegas? Breaking that down, the Colorado Rockies are blacked out here in Las Vegas because the San Francisco Giants, Oakland A's, Los Angeles Angels, and San Diego Padres claim Vegas as their territory. So unless the Rockies are just blacked out cause of the other teams, hard to tell if it's the Colorado feed. If the Colorado feed is eliminated, then it's either the Main feed or the Vegas/Nevada feed. And if so, then the games should be broadcast here locally. Unless DISH is not allowed to show the Vegas Golden Knights in Las Vegas on any feed due to not having a supposed contract with the feed that supplies Vegas with the games.

    And throwing the wrench in the feeds explanation, the Vegas Golden Knights @ Vancouver Canucks game WAS broadcast here in Las Vegas with no blackouts on an alternate channel 412-32, and was an official AT&T SN RM broadcast. So why would they broadcast that game and blackout the rest?

    BTW, thanks for the information...I didn't know ATT SN RM had three feeds, talk about a friggen' headache!
     
  4. KyL416

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    It's possible they did come to a deal and just didn't officially announce it yet. They also didn't update their online game lookup tool yet so it's still showing blackouts for the NHL teams that are no longer considered in territory for Vegas.

    Since the Golden Knights are in a subregional feed, they're not going to be on the main channel, so you're going to have to find the games on alternate channels. Tonight's pre-season game is on 412-35 and Thursday's pre-season game is on 412-31, while the channel for October 1st isn't on the schedule yet.
     
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  5. thasolution

    thasolution New Member

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    That's the problem I'm having. The main channel is showing the Colorado Rockies, so I looked at channel 412-35 and the NHL Network and see the dreaded red "broadcast not available in your area" on both (although I expect it to always be blacked out on the NHL Network). Even though I live here in Las Vegas. I even called DISH and talked to Customer Service, a supervisor, an "account specialist", and a tech. They all said the same thing, "we can't do anything about it, but it shows as blacked out". One of them even offered to sell me the Multi-Sports pack, which I already have and purchased it for specifically for the ATT SN RM channel.
     
  6. KyL416

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    If you're in Vegas, you shouldn't need the Multisport pack to get the games. It should just be one of your local RSNs available with AT120+ and higher, but you will be blacked out of ATT RM whenever any Rockies programming is on.
     
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  7. thasolution

    thasolution New Member

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    I have AT200 and they said, when I signed up for DISH last month, that ATT SN RM is only part of the Multi-Sports pack here in Las Vegas. I get that pack for free until Jan 8 2018. That's if I keep DISH at all, cause if they will not show the VGK on ATT SN RM, then I may have no choice but to go back to DirecTV. Which I really don't want to do that, I'd rather stay with DISH.
     
  8. KyL416

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    ATT SN Rocky Mountain didn't expand to include Vegas and Nevada until September 15th around the time pre-season hockey started. Prior to then it wasn't available as an in market RSN for Vegas. They haven't updated the RSN/team lookup tools yet, so you probably won't get a straight answer from a CSR.

    Hopefully they update it before the start of the regular season, otherwise you'll have to wait until the first game on the 6th to see if you get the game.
     
  9. thasolution

    thasolution New Member

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    Yup, it has been a huge issue for Las Vegas and the VGK fans here. Just trying to nail down a provider with concrete proof that they will not black out ATT SN RM's VGK broadcasts has been hair pulling. DirecTV and CenturyLink seem to be concrete...but DISH is not concrete yet. And it sucks too because tomorrow is the first ever home game for the VGK, even though it's preseason, it's still a huge deal.
     
  10. mjsvegas

    mjsvegas New Member

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    I've been experiencing the same thing as a Las Vegas resident. I wrote to the Las Vegas Review Journal to see if they can help. Their recent press coverage helped apply sufficient pressure to get the VGK games broadcast on Cox. Hopefully, they can do the same for DISH.
     
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