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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by seern, Oct 21, 2009.

  1. The Merg

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    Well, looking at those rates...

    I can get an HD-DVR from DirecTV for $99 right now. I pay $6/month for DVR service. So after 1 year I've paid $171 for my DVR, while with FIOS I would have paid $192. If I have to stay with DirecTV for another year and continue to have savings over FIOS of $10/month that's fine with me. Also, my DirecTV HD-DVR will be usable with MRV when that becomes available unlike the FIOS HD-DVR.

    I'm curious, what does FIOS charge for additional receivers on the account or do you just pay a straight fee per box as you listed above? For example, DirecTV charges a $5 per box after the first one.

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  2. jpl

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    The problem with your math - getting that HD DVR from DirecTV locks you in for 2 years... not 1. If I signed up for DirecTV and got their HD DVR for $99 - let's say that's all I got. Let's say after a year I leave. How much do I pay altogether?

    Well, $99 for the DVR right up front... plus $171 for the DVR service... plus $240 ETF for leaving after one year. You can't just cut off the cost at the one year mark and call it even. You have to consider the length of the contract that you're signed up for. Which is why you have an ETF - you're getting a break on the cost of the equipment, and in exchange you're agreeing to lock in for x number of months. THAT'S part of the cost to you.

    Second, what you said about MRV with the FiOS DVR is incorrect. There is NO difference in the hardware between the Multi-room version and the stand-alone version. They're both the exact same DVR - the current model is the Motorola QIP-7216. For a while they were using the QIP-6416, but had to switch over to the newer model because of the FCC's requirement for separable security.

    And in fact, both the 6416 and the 7216 support multi-room viewing. The MR functionality is activated via the firmware. In fact, I could get the stand-alone DVR, and with a couple clicks of the remote, I can activate the MR functionality, without even having to call them to do it. Why they charge an extra $4/month for something that's run via the firmware is beyond me. I'm thinking of dropping it, and going to a stand-alone DVR. Initially the Home Media DVR gave you 3 advantages over the stand-alone:

    1) MRV
    2) Connectivity for digital music and pictures (and now video) from your PCs to your DVR.
    3) Remote DVR booking

    Item #2 made the deal worth it for me. I like that feature alot. Ditto #3. But now they've given #2 and #3 to all DVR customers. Not just those with the Home Media version.

    And yes, the additional receivers on FiOS are a straight fee. Again, we're talking about a difference in cost structures. That's all. You're really not getting your first receiver for 'free'. They just factor the cost of one receiver into your service fee. So, instead of itemizing that one fee out as a separate charge, they just basically roll it into your overall service cost.
     
  3. Reaper

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    The HD DVR is $15.99 per month. The Home Media HD DVR (with MRV) is $19.99 per month. So the OP was correct.

    [Edit] Oops, I didn't see JPL's post above. Sorry for the duplicate information.
     
  4. Reaper

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    Let's not forget that there are options with FiOS: instead of their HD DVR you can go with Tivo OR MOXI.

    In answer to your question, yes, the same monthly fee applies to each additional box. But again, there are other options.
     
  5. sigma1914

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    Just curious, what's the charge per CC to use with the Tivo or Moxi? Isn't the Moxi about $400?

    (I'm not looking to argue which service is better/cheaper, I'm just curious.):)
     
  6. jpl

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    Last I saw, Moxi is $800 - but includes the service fee for the life of the DVR. That price may have come down since then. I believe the CC fee is $3/month. Which is a little steep in my opinion - other cable companies offer it for less (e.g. I believe Comcast gives you a CC for $1).
     
  7. Reaper

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    It's still $800. At least you can choose the $39.95/month interest-free payment plan.
     
  8. JoeTheDragon

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    $1-$3 + outlet fee + (some systems) hd cable card fee.
     
  9. The Merg

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    Sorry. I wasn't trying to say that the commitment with DirecTV is one year. I meant that I'd be willing to stay with them for another year after the one year mark since I've already made up for the upfront lease cost.

    And I realize that the FIOS HD-DVR is MRV capable, but you do need to pay an additional $4 month for it when you don't with DirecTV. As for the media and photos from the PC to the DVR, DirecTV has that as well in the form of MediaShare and I use it quite often.

    And in my math the $171 after one year was including the upfront cost and DVR service ($99 + $6/month for 12 months). Over two years the savings is even greater.

    I also realize that the first receiver is not free. The $5/month fee paid for additional receivers is actually a subscription mirroring fee so that they can duplicate your current subscription package to your additional receivers (basically preventing you having to pay the full subscription price for each receiver).

    In regards to the additional receiver costs with FIOS, are you paying the $16/month for the STB and then another few dollars since it is an additional receiver or just the $16/month? With DirecTV, I would only be paying $5/month for those additional receivers no matter what kind they were. The would be in addition to any initial upfront lease cost as well of course.

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  10. Reaper

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    $16.99 per month per HD DVR. Since I only have 1 TV this is okay with me.
     
  11. itguy05

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    That's nice for you but for the majority the cost for an HD-DVR with DirecTV is $199. So you've the average person spends much more than that. And we've been hearing MRV for years now form DTV so I wouldn't hold your breath.

    For us, it breaks down like this:

    Now:
    Directv (1 HD-DVR, 1 SD-DVR) - $81.25
    FIOS Internet 15/5 - $54.90
    Total - $136.24 per month

    Fios in a month or so (deciding if I want to go a month or 2 early or wait):
    (This includes the bundling discounts)
    FIOS Extreme HD - $57.99
    2x HD DVR - $ 39.98
    25/15 Internet - $69.99
    Bundling Discount - $-32.99
    Total - $126.97 per month
    AND $150 Visa gift card back.

    Savings - $9.27 per month without the gift card or $21.77 if you split the gift card over 12 months (or use it as a free month of service).

    So tell me why DTV is a good deal now? Sure Verizon's DVR storage space is lacking but they give me better PQ, more channels, better internet.

    Wouldn't use their wireless - use them for work and they are the NOTwork. Definitely more hype than anything else and no better or worse than AT&T.
     
  12. The Merg

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    Regarding the HD-DVR price, I don't know if the average person pays the $199. Most of the new customer specials allow you to upgrade to the HD-DVR for $99 and if you are a current customer, most people can get the $199 cut down to $99. I definitely won't say that everyone gets a discount though.

    In my case, my monthly bill with DirecTV and cable internet puts me at about $10 less a month that your new FIOS bill for a similar setup. So in my case, I'd be upping my monthly bill each month. I wasn't trying to say that DirecTV is the end-all regarding price, just that it can be cheaper with DirecTV in some instances, as I've shown.

    To each his own... BTW, loved the NOTwork line... :lol:

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  13. itguy05

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    I dono either- I logged into my account online and the offered the HD DVR to me for $199. I'd guess if you spent some time haggling with the CSR you may get it for $99.

    I just checked - new offers get it for free but each additional is $199.

    True. When I had cable internet before FIOS, the speeds were not comparable - FIOS is great. The speed, especially upload rocks most of what Cable is offering.

    I'll definitely end up with more channels on FIOS as Directv doesn't offer our local subchannels and there are a few more offerings on FIOS.

    Thanks. Love Verizon's FIOS Internet (and probably will like the TV) but their wireless is not all it's cracked up to be. I'm already on the best network around here (AT&T) with the best phone (iPhone). :)
     
  14. texasmoose

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    cc is actually $4 per/month(3.99).

    i paid D* $99 for my HR20, and i have no monthly fee, it's included in the package. no native pass-thru is a big deal w/current FiOS DVR, as there chip doesn't scale as well as my TV does.............there have been many updates to the HRXX software as of late, like DLB. It's far from perfect, but D*/Tivo have a new HD DVR that'll be forthcoming about the same time as the FiOS/Cisco DVR.

    FiOS current promotion of $150 is by way of a gift card, but their 3 services for 2 promo is actually the better deal, it works out to $180 saved.......

    D* new bird will be up & operational(scheduled launch is 12/09), if all goes as planned, by the 1st Q/2010. Once it becomes active the disparity of HD channels will be eliminated.
     
  15. jpl

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    I didn't mean to jump on you... I'm just trying to point out that you have to do the full apples-to-apples comparison - soup to nuts. The actual cost structure, as far as I'm concerned, is really irrelevent. I really don't care if my tv provider itemizes out one charge vs. rolling it into another fee. Really what I care about is the bottom line. What comes out of my pocket. That's the real measure. For each person the different pricing structures make one service a better deal than the other. It really depends on your setup.

    When I first started comparing, I didn't worry about things like up-front fees vs. higher monthly costs. I took a look at my setup with DirecTV, and what I wanted my setup to be (wanted to go HD at that point, with an HD DVR), and calculated my cost. I then asked myself: if I were to get an equivalent setup with FiOS, what would it run me?

    Of course, all things aren't equal, so you have to make allowances where you can. For example, if I wanted to keep IFC as a channel, which DirecTV offered as part of their TC+ service (the level I had at the time) I'd need to upgrade to Verizon's movie package. But then again, DirecTV has that $10/month HD fee (plus the extra $5/month for the HD only channels) which Verizon doesn't (their HD channels are included in their price). That kind of thing. But when I balanced it all out, as best I could, Verizon worked out to be a cheaper deal for me by a few bucks per month. And that was BEFORE they created any triple play bundles - that was the ala carte price. With the bundling, to get the equivalent of what I have now, with DirecTV would cost me probably an extra $40/month, all told (going ala carte with FiOS internet and getting DirecTV service, e.g.).
     

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