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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by kryscio23, Aug 19, 2009.

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  1. WebTraveler

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    Perhaps....but the RSNs are tougher because the lack of them will lose customers. Directv has much more leverage with Versus and it's finally using it to its advantage.
     
  2. WebTraveler

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    I can bet in the future the leagues and teams will build in some requirement in future contracts to protect them against this from happening. Apparently the Portland Trail Blazers have this in their CSN NW deal, but are reluctant to use it because Comcast paid $10M more than what FSN was offering. $10M more is a lot of cash and has compromised some integrity along the way.
     
  3. WebTraveler

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    While this is significant only if you keep in mind that bull riding fails to attract much of an audience. I can do without Versus on this stuff.
     
  4. JoeTheDragon

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    how much does comcast own of each rsn they only have 20-25% of csn chi.
     
  5. Ken S

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    Here are the facts: Versus is available to DirecTV. All of the other major providers offer Versus.

    DirecTV has elected not to carry Versus. That is entirely and solely their decision.

    That's it...that's the facts as they pertain to DirecTV carrying Versus. It is available and they don't want to pay for it. At no time has DirecTV even mentioned any of the other RSNs as playing a factor in these negotiations...nor has Versus.

    No, this is about DirecTV not wanting to pay the price and place the channel in the tier that Versus wants it placed. DirecTV wants to put it in a tier that will cost me $13 additional a month to see. Gee, they increase costs .26/month and I get to pay $13 extra a month.

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    You can demean the content, toss in other RSNs and call Comcast names...the facts are...it is available and DirecTV isn't willing to provide the channel. At .26/month that would be less than .2% of my total monthly payment to DirecTV. I consider the content Versus offers of more interest to me than ESPN or any RSN (most of which are full of informercials, and dead air). I'd be delighted if ala carte programming was mandated...these silly problems would end...but the providers know they would lose money so they'll lobby against it forever.

    I understand you don't much care for Versus and you want some other RSN or to "get back" at Comcast. I don't care about Comcast or DirecTV or their spats...I just wish the channel I was paying for was back in their lineup and if DirecTV wanted it could be. They don't have that option for the channels you want.
     
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    In the bizzaro world that is per subscriber fees the deal that Versus is offering DirecTV is not nearly as good as the deal that other providers are getting, or should I say, per subscriber the fees may be the exact same but because DirecTV is forced to carry the channel in the package with broadest availability (if Versus gets what they want), DirecTV is forced to pay $0.xx * all of DirecTV for a total of $bigbucks rather than $0.xx * subset of all of DirecTV subscribers for a total of a much smaller percentage of that $bigbucks figure.

    For example: $0.30 * 30 million homes is a lot more than $0.30 * 8 million homes. The cost for DirecTV is nearly 4 times higher in that scenario.

    DirecTV is pushing to put Versus into the Sports pack because they can add value to that package that way and have the people that are desperate to get Versus pay for it themselves without having to pay out for the 3/4 of their customers that could care less if that channel was ever on the system. In that regard Versus is dead wrong and for now is not available on DirecTV pending some miracle meeting of the minds....
     
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    I meant to add above that I find it ironic that you're preaching the equivalent of al a carte pricing (as you say you don't care about channels you don't want and don't want to pay for) and yet you're complaining that DirecTV's efforts are screwing you. DirecTV's efforts here are right inline with what you are asking for. They don't want to bear the costs of a channel that only a small audience wants across all of their system. They want that channel in a package that they can get more sub fees for and make more profit on (good for them since businesses exist to make profits), and Versus wants to be paid for a bunch of potential viewers that are likely never going to care about their channel at all.
     
  8. SinBin

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    I'm surprised people are actually taking sides by picking the lesser of two evils. I don't trust DIRECTV or Versus/Comcast.
     
  9. WebTraveler

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    KenS, with all due respect, you are wrong. If you want confirmation expand your internet search engines and you will find multiple issues with Directv being screwed by Comcast over the past 2-3 years.

    It is not that simple. Versus wants to keep the issue simple and try to make it look like what they want it to look like. But its actually pretty complicated and yes, it does involve issues bigger than just Versus. The narrow thinking is what Versus and Comcast want you to think.

    Additionally, while you may find it surprising Directv has had complaints from a very small percentage of its customers. Some of it vocal, of course. But in the end even a smaller percent has actually left because of this.

     
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  11. Ken S

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    Where did I say DirecTV was "screwing" me? I'm not preaching either. That's the people bringing into this discussion their tirades against Comcast and desire for other RSNs and their denigration of the Versus programming. Let me state this clearly one more time.

    The channel is available to DirecTV at a cost. - FACT
    DirecTV has stated they don't want to pay that cost. - FACT

    It is entirely DirecTV's choice not to provide Versus.
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    DirecTV's activities are in no way in line with what I'm asking for. I'm asking to have Versus back in the channel lineup.
    I'm asking for ala carte pricing.
    DirecTV offers neither.

    Both of those are their decision. They're not screwing me, they're doing what they believe to be in their best financial interest. Comcast/Versus is doing what they believe to be in their best interest. As Gayle Sayers once wrote (albeit on a much more serious and important topic)...I am second. Both of these companies put financial interests first and the customer second.
     
  12. bb37

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    Likewise, it's entirely your choice to stay with DirecTV without Versus or go find a provider that carries Vs.

    Find a provider in your market that offers ala carte and sign up with them.

    Do you own stock in any corporation? If you do, do you believe that the corporation should place great weight on the interests of the stockholders? Apparently, DirecTV has decided that the subscribers they will lose by not carrying Vs is out-weighed by benefit to the stockholders from holding the line on costs.
     
  13. DC_SnDvl

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    Yes, you are correct it is available to DTV at the higher cost and DTV said they are not going to pay that.

    No amount of complaining is going to change these facts. If you miss versus that much you better call your cable company.

     
  14. Ken S

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    Web,

    I'm not wrong.

    You can draw all of those other matters in...at the end of the day you can't deny that DirecTV could have Versus in its lineup. It is DirecTV's choice not to do so.

    I understand that DirecTV won't carry it because they deem the content and viewership to be worth less than the asking price...that's their decision. I understand their choice not to do so. They want to increase their profits and their margins...that's what is most important to DirecTV (and Comcast for that matter).

    Yes, I know that there are other channels that Comcast won't sell, but they don't affect DirecTV's ability to carry Versus. The Versus content is available.

    Once again, it is entirely DirecTV decision not to carry Versus.

    They're not screwing me...they're not really harming me all that much, they're just offering a product of less interest to me than they did before. If that continues I will elect to move to another provider...along with the 20,000 or so other subscribers that leave DirecTV each month. Hardly a ripple on their pond or even the slightest blip on their balance sheet...I'm sure they knew they would lose some subscribers when they dropped Versus.

     
  15. Ken S

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    You're right, well mostly. I could call Dish, AT&T, Verizon or Cable (depending on my location) if I want it...just not DirecTV.
     
  16. Ken S

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    1. Yes, it is and I may make a decision to switch providers in the future.

    2. None of the providers will offer ala carte...they all face limited competition and know that ala carte means lower revenue. Barring government order it won't happen.

    3. I agree with you. I always expect DirecTV to do what is in their best financial interest..the customer always comes second. It's others here that seem to believe otherwise.

    I think we're in agreement. DirecTV doesn't want to carry Versus even though they could because it's not in their best financial interest.
     
  17. Ken S

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    It's not a trust thing to me. It's not evil (there are other matters where DirecTV is less than ethical, but this isn't one of them). It's just the realities of doing business with huge corporations that are 100% dedicated to their financials. DirecTV customers should know that at anytime DirecTV may drop a channel, move it to a higher tier or raise their rates. They will do so as soon as they deem it in their best interest to do so.

    I find it a bit funny that others will get drawn in by the weak PR moves by both sides. The next time the marketing/advertising departments of either of these companies utters a truthful statement will mark a first for this industry.

    Comcast is no different (I have two accounts with them as well).
     
  18. Tom Robertson

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    Ken S,

    So one sided. :)

    Versus also has a proposal they can accept and be on DIRECTV. They clearly don't want to be on DIRECTV. Look at their ads. They want off DIRECTV and customers to move to other carriers that give them more money. Or so it would seem... (using logic similar to that which you used.)

    I don't believe in all black or white situations. I know DIRECTV wants Versus. I know Versus wants DIRECTV. But they can't agree on a how much. It might one sides "fault", might not. It much just be a disagreement on a win-win plan that is reasonable to both players.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  19. Santi360HD

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    anyone notce as of 9:22pm Eastern Time , the apology to NHL fans message OR ANY MESSAGE isnt on 603 anymore...the WEC fight is at 10?? any luck
     
  20. Tom Robertson

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    I didn't notice, but I can confirm it. :)

    I also note that the guide information is still showing the message: "Versus is still no longer on this channel. Comcast, which owns Versus..."

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
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