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Versus on DTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by kryscio23, Aug 19, 2009.

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  1. bscott

    bscott Legend

    Jun 4, 2004
    It's not the comparing a horse race to a season, it's the fact that the NHL is thought of so little that a network decided a horse race is more profitable and garners better ratings to televise than a NHL game. You are correct about the frequency of the NFL games, but the NHL is no different than the NBA in terms of games per week in most cases and they seriously lag behind them as well.

    The chances of the NHL going back to ESPN are slim and none right now and slim left the building a few years ago. The whole reason why the NHL is not on ESPN is that it is not profitable in terms of generating advertising revenue due to it's poor ratings and the amount of money the NHL wanted to televise it's product. It also didn't help that the NHL's reputation had been totally destroyed by that idiotic strike which destroyed a season and any kind of credibility and interest the league had with the general public Ratings proved that. If the NHL wants back on a more mainstream channel like ESPN, then they should drastically reduce their asking price for television rights and kick in some kind of escalator clause that allows an ESPN to broadcast them on the cheap for a couple of years. If the ratings reach let's say an average of a 1.0 - 1.2 share then ESPN would have to kick in more money in the 3rd year or the NHL could exercise an option to shop it's television rights around. But I don't see the NHL ever doing anything like that.

    The NHL to me seems to be incredibly short sighted in it's business approach and was more interested in taking the greater short-term dollars OLN/Versus was offering compared to ESPN especially after the financial disaster the strike caused to the owners. ESPN had no intentions of paying that kind of money as they saw it was a huge gamble. That's why they let the NHL walk and with their NBA and college basketball (remember, they expanded their coverage of these two sports to fill in for the NHL) commitments, IMHO, they will not miss it.
  2. RACJ2

    RACJ2 Hall Of Fame

    Aug 2, 2008
    Unfortunately, I don't think there is much the NHL can do to significantly impact those numbers. Even when the games were on ESPN, I'm sure the ratings weren't that great. The bigger issue is that hockey isn't a sport that the average person has access to play. Sports that you have actually participated in as a kid are usually much more interesting to you. To substantiate that point, look at the difference in interest in the sport that Canada has.

    I grew up in the Buffalo suburbs, where we played hockey on a frozen pond during the winter. Hockey is very popular in that area. Several schools had hockey teams and there were youth leagues that you could join. When I moved to Dallas many years ago, you couldn't hardly find a place to buy a hockey stick or even a rink to skate on. Since the Stars moved here, things have changed and there are youth hockey leagues, etc. The problem is that there are still too many place where there is no youth hockey at all. Hard to spark interest in a sport, when you don't even learn the rules when you are growing up.
  3. mike558

    mike558 Cool Member

    Mar 5, 2007
    I am a long time Bruins fan, and it stinks that I won't have VS for several games this season.

    I will miss those games, just as I miss going to the games. The Bruins tickets prices forced me to scale back the number of games I attend each year. I only go to a couple games a year now. If VS wants to outprice me too, then I only watch 75 games year.

    I hope an agreement gets done, but I don't fault Directv for taking a stand against VS. In this economy I wish more companies tried to keep my bills in check instead of passing the buck onto me.
  4. Grafixguy

    Grafixguy Godfather

    Mar 15, 2008
    New Jersey
    In case it matters, the NHL appears to be firmly backing Versus in this dispute:

    I can't post the link (not enough posts) but it's on the first page of nhl.com.

    My apologies if this has been posted already, but I didn't see it anywhere.
  5. vansmack

    vansmack Godfather

    Aug 14, 2006
    It's a page or two earlier in this thread and not much of a surprise as Comcast is part owner of the NHL Network and the owner of the TV contract that the NHL has to play national games.

    I know the NHL Network email address on that NHL Propoganda doesn't work, but the feedback link does:


    Keep up the fight DirecTV. TV Providers should not be allowed own content providers for reasons just like this.
  6. tnnolman

    tnnolman Cool Member

    Aug 9, 2009
    We started getting Directv on 10/30/1995. 1st of all Verus started as outdoor life network if you know by it changed to OLN in 1999 and the Verus sometime around 2003 or 2004. I hope this spat is over by the 10/01. I dont think they get this back on by this date. unless they strike a deal before 10/01 or probably 9/30. i dont know what the problem is about this channel being off the air for almost a month. anyway they should verus back on ASAP.
  7. dhhaines

    dhhaines Hall Of Fame

    Nov 18, 2005
    People need to get a life if you watch the draft in prime time.:nono2:
  8. 10david2

    10david2 AllStar

    Apr 2, 2008
    Here's the email I sent to NHL Live!! today (which was ignored and not read on the air),

    Is there any chance that Bettman can be fired anytime soon? He wants me to call Directv when Comcast is just as big a part of the problem as they are? Why doesn't he protect the people that matter the most (US, THE FANS!!) He made a TV bad deal and now I can't see hockey that's his fault!! How long will this madness go on?

    I know they get paid by Bettman the weasel, but I feel I was one of many ignored emails.

    For the record, why the NHL is the best sport:

    NHL=4 rounds best of seven to win the Cup!! Guys lose 3 teeth, don't miss shift. (I don't approve of the bias toward the Pens last year)

    NFL= Too many commercials + Playoffs played in snow, the Superbowl at a sunny resort place

    NCAA Football= people vote on the champion, that's fair.

    MLB= Best of 5 wildcard and ALL-Star game decides World Series home field advantage.

    Nascar=The Chase has made it boring. Gas costs too much to go in a circle

    MLS=Nobody cares west of the Atlantic
  9. loudo

    loudo Well-Known Member

    Mar 24, 2005
    Central Maine
    I wish that HDNet had the NHL contract. When they carried their once a week game it was fantastic.
  10. WebTraveler

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    Apr 9, 2006
    This isn't going to be settled by 10/1 unless Versus gives into something. So long as Comcast remains an integrity challenged company nothing will change. Directv has a legitimate point in the issues and until Versus recognizes that nothing will change.
  11. turbo_oasis

    turbo_oasis Legend

    Jan 4, 2007
    The St. Louis Blues are opening up the Scottrade Center on Friday and Saturday to show the NHL Premiere in Stockholm on the Jumbo Tron for free. Also concessions will be open to buy $8 beer and $5 hot Dogs amongst others, but at least the team is giving fans a chance to watch who do not have access to Versus.
  12. DBSNewbie

    DBSNewbie Icon

    Nov 3, 2007
    The picture quality on HDNet was amazing.
  13. DBSNewbie

    DBSNewbie Icon

    Nov 3, 2007
    Reminds me of the Dallas Stars bias when hockey was on HDNet
  14. Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    While HD is great for all sports (yes, even curling) :), it seems to me that NHL gained the most from HD.

  15. StuartK

    StuartK Cool Member

    Sep 15, 2007
    Actually I think Golf gained the most from HD. I generally don't care to watch Golf, but the Masters and other premier Golf events do look amazing in HD. It's tempting to watch even though I can't get into it at all. I put Football second, Hockey thrid and Baseball fourth. They all look great in HD. Bring on Hockey. Go Jackets!
  16. sunfire9us

    sunfire9us Godfather

    Feb 15, 2009
    Hey guys we are all mad I know about not getting to see the NHL games that will be on Versus but we do I believe all agree in general that VS by itself is a worthless channel. Even though we're going to lose some hockey games, we should acutally be standing up for Directv. When the other cheap channels see this happening they will rethink their greed later on down the line too. This is just why our bills keep getting higher and higher are these unreasonable rate increases they keep piling on us. Hopefully the NHL will learn it made a HUGE mistake and eventually take those games off that worthless channel perhaps add them back onto the rsn's so we can get them via the NHL CI. I have already emailed DTV myself to support them as well as letting the NHL know they made a stupid mistake signing that deal with VS.
  17. Maruuk

    Maruuk Hall Of Fame

    Dec 4, 2007
    Let's see: D* insists on putting VS into an extra-pay tier, Comcast swears on their grandmother that they are NOT charging D* anymore for VS than they charge anyone else, D* does not dispute that. And Comcast refuses to allow D* to completely change their agreement and ghettoize their content into some elite, expensive tier that will dramatically drop viewership. So tell me again how Comcast is the villain here???

    D*: bad software, bad hardware, bad faith on all levels.
  18. 10david2

    10david2 AllStar

    Apr 2, 2008
    I think that's the whole problem with the NHL, Bettman in particular, he doesn't think he made a mistake and even if he does realize it was a stupid idea to go with Versus, he will never admit to it. 2 lockouts in 16 years (just a few years from a 3rd) is the reason the NHL can't get a good TV deal. Reminds me of a recent president that no matter how dumb the decision, he would always stand behind it. He would march you right into a war you can't win and swear it was the right move. It really sucks, because hockey is so awesome, but these morons running it are the dumbest businessmen on earth.
  19. Ken S

    Ken S RIP

    Feb 12, 2007
    Versus is not a worthless channel. It is an important channel in this household and it has nothing to do with the NHL although I do watch some of their NHL broadcasts. DirecTV planned to increase our price of the channel no matter what by putting it in the Sports Pack. Just like they raised the price of HDNet Movies by moving it to HD Extra and ESPN Cliassic by putting it in the Sports Pack.
    Our bills keep getting higher and higher because DirecTV has stated publicly that they will be increasing their ARPU, gross revenues and margins every year.
    We can expect more and more of the channels with certain niche programming to be moved off to expensive premium packages by DirecTV.

  20. 10david2

    10david2 AllStar

    Apr 2, 2008
    You have a point. D* doesn't want my bill to go higher by bowing to VS/Comcast, but they sure did add on $3 to my bill in January and now take NHL/PBR channel from me. So my bill went up, and I'm down a channel I like. Thank you, Drive Thru!! I wish we had a la carte, because i would only subscribe to 6 channels, but then I guess they would charge $27 per channel, so we would end up paying more.:hurah:

    (Side Note:Looks like (according to the D* guide) will get the full HNIC coverage in HD this week. Hopefully that doesn't change)
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