Viacom Channel Takedown Information (Revisited)

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  1. Mar 6, 2004 #21 of 958
    Chris Blount

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  2. Mar 6, 2004 #22 of 958
    Mitch

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    Two months ago, I signed a one year agreement with Dish, At that time, I agreed to subscribe to a service that provided me with certain channels that interested me for the next year. As of next Tuesday, it looks like the channels I contracted for with Dish will not exist. Is the contract null-in-void? You could argue that I signed up for a service, not a specific channel. If so, what if all the channels were taken down except for HSN. Would the contract then be cancellable? Where is the line that defines the service I signed up for?
     
  3. Mar 6, 2004 #23 of 958
    freakmonkey.

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    I am month to month but the service agreement makes no mention of any particular channels. Dish is on the short end here people want viam ch's. Having viacom ch's will morelikley lead to price increase it is a no win situation for E*
     
  4. Mar 6, 2004 #24 of 958
    HeavyC

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    The main channel I watch is Comedy Central. If they take away the Daily Show, South Park, The Chapelle Show, and Tough Crowd my daily TV watching will be cut by over 70% if not more. It's reguarly one of the only channels I even watch at nights.

    Spike might not be great, but I love Most Extreme Elimination Challenge, and one of my guilty pleasures is WWE on Monday Nights. Some of you talk like losing these channels is no big deal.

    It's absolutley an enormous deal, and I think some people here are dillusional to think customers are just going to roll over and be loyal to Dish because "they're fighting the good fight". I could care less, I want the channels I signed my 1 year contract for.
     
  5. Mar 6, 2004 #25 of 958
    Steve Mehs

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    Probably not Mitch. I don't have a copy of an Echostar customer agreement, but I'm sure it states in there somewhere, all programming, pricing and packaging is subject to change at any give time. And that's one of the terms you agreed to.
     
  6. Mar 6, 2004 #26 of 958
    JM Anthony

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    I'm on your side on this one. Even if we lose the channels for a month or so, I'll sit tight with E* until something reasonable gets negotiated. Folding your cards too early on this one, Charlie, is only going to lead to greater demands in the future.
     
  7. Mar 6, 2004 #27 of 958
    Chris Freeland

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    I still believe their will be either a last minute agreement or yet another extension come Monday morning, I still doubt any of these channels will be pulled. I agree with the conclusion of the Forbs article that Charlie has been dealt a losing hand and knows when it is time to fold, especially if it is true that Viacom is now offering E* the same deal it gave Comcast, Cox and D*, which is basically a 5% rate increase and the carriage of NichToons.
     
  8. Mar 6, 2004 #28 of 958
    boba

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    Personally I might lose 1 channel that I watch, I would just find another channel. No big deal, actually since I got upset with DISH's lousy quality of signal and software bugs and switched to Directv last summer it will have no effect on me. Directv has already signed with Viacom and their March 1st price increase was $1-3 I don't think Charlie really has a greviance with Viacom.
     
  9. Mar 6, 2004 #29 of 958
    freakmonkey.

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    There is no guarantee in any service contract that a certain channel or suite of channels will be available.

    We will end up with the viacom channels I just don't know how E* will do it with out a price increase.

    E* last price increase was a heated debate to say the least and that was just a couple of dollars per month.

    Cant wait to see what happens @ 12:00 pst on monday
     
  10. Mar 6, 2004 #30 of 958
    Mitch

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    So you agree that if Dish drops ALL channels, except for HSN, you are stuck with your contract? Hmmmmmm......
     
  11. Mar 6, 2004 #31 of 958
    Nick

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    Why would any E* sub do that?

    Calling Viacon to say you would like to continue to receive their channels is giving Viacon ammunition against E* in the negotiations. If you are going to tell Viacon anything, say you don't give a damn if they pull their channels, you're more interested in holding the line on your subscription rates, then add that you won't miss their channels at all. There are plenty of others to watch.

    If you feel compelled to call or write someone, let Charlie know you support his position and to hold the line on rates.
     
  12. Mar 6, 2004 #32 of 958
    Bobby94928

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    This is from the DishNetwork Residential Service Agreement, Section 1G:

    G. Changes in Services offered. DISH Network reserves the right to change the Services that we offer, and our prices or fees related to such Services at any time. If the change affects you, we will provide you notice of the change and its effective date. The notice may be provided on your billing statement or by other communication permitted under Section 9B. In the event of a change in the contents of any programming, programming packages or other Services, you understand and agree that we have no obligation to replace or supplement the programming, programming packages or other Services previously offered that have been deleted, rearranged or otherwise changed. You further understand and agree you will not be entitled to any refund because of a change in the contents of any programming, programming packages, or other Services previously offered.

    Source: http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/aboutus/RCA/index.shtml
     
  13. Mar 6, 2004 #33 of 958
    greggg

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    I am sick and tired of every other company working things out. I love it, people are in it for themselves. I do not have an antenna option where I am at and will lose CBS. People here look to see if they are personally affected. If not it's like "too bad so sad for who is". I lose one minute of programming because of genious negotiator Ergen and i'm gone after 8 years.
     
  14. Mar 6, 2004 #34 of 958
    mattyro

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    I was watchuing Comcast cable today in CT and we had a crawl at the bottom of pic saying-"Dish Network customers will lose Comedy central, and some other channels". They listed about 6 channels. Obviously it weas geared to thr ADVERTISERS on these channels so they could call Viacom and do...what? I dont know. All I know i9s I was watching cable in my bedroom where there is no Dish installed and got this crawl. Maybe Viacom is pacicking as well.
     
  15. Mar 6, 2004 #35 of 958
    greggg

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    No Viacom isn't having a panic attack. This is Comcast's way of keeping people who were thinking about switching to E*. I Have been trying for well over four hours to get through to E* and can't. I take that as a good sign in that unhappy people are flooding the lines. For those here who do not think this is a big deal because they don't care about these channels, well turn on the quilt network, that will be put in their place, because Charlie will raise your rates to make up for the customers he loses
     
  16. Mar 6, 2004 #36 of 958
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    I told my dad that he will probably lose all those viacom stations monday and he told me if it happens he's cancelling his contract. He said he is paying dish all this money for these stations and now they're going to take them away from him so he's in his right to cancel his contract with them. I guess we'll see what the csr says when he calls monday to cancel.
     
  17. Mar 6, 2004 #37 of 958
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    It's just TV. The sun would still rise tomorrow if everyone lost all their TV. If TV is your only reason for living........
     
  18. Mar 6, 2004 #38 of 958
    JohnH

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    Comcast is not likely to be doing this. It is more likely that it is Viacom since it shows on more than one provider. There have been reports of seeing the same thing on DirecTV.
     
  19. Mar 6, 2004 #39 of 958
    Mark Holtz

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    From what I read, the shutdown time would be monday at midnight PT. Charlie Chat is at 6 PM PT. It would be interesting to see what Charlie says Monday night at 6 PM... or if the Charlie Chat is postponed.
     
  20. Mar 6, 2004 #40 of 958
    HeavyC

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    Regardless of what the service agreement says, all contracts have to be executed in good faith by both parties. That would definitely be a grey area considering the amount of channels Dish would be removing. Would they still be executing the contract in good faith? How honest and upfront with customers are they being? Just because the service agreement says all that doesn't mean it would ever actually hold up in court.
     
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