Viacom Channel Takedown Information (Revisited)

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  1. Mar 6, 2004 #41 of 958
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    Today Nickelodeon is showing Nick Toons TV all afternoon. Who needs a separate channel when they are showing it?

    I never realized how many Viacom stations I don't even watch. I could care less about BET, Comedy Central, Spike TV, MTV, MTV2. CMT's new format is not that great and GAC is better anyhow. VH1 is ok but I can do without it. TV Land is the only good Viacom channel.
     
  2. Mar 6, 2004 #42 of 958
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    Yes!

    This is an excerpt from the "Free Dish" customer agreement:
    and...
    And from the Residential Customer Agreement (RCA): (http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/aboutus/RCA/index.shtml)
    "8 yards" removed. Happy?
     
  3. Mar 6, 2004 #43 of 958
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    Gee, could you post another nine yards of boilerplate? I still have a few bits and bytes left on my computer for you to totally obliterate! :bang

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    <edit>Not necessarily. :D
     
  4. Mar 6, 2004 #44 of 958
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    Excellent article, but they don't mention the underlying theme for the future of television. I believe that market forces are pushing for a gradual shift from advertising based revenue to pay-tv revenue. In the past CBS/Viacom and other network conglomerates have depended on advertising for their primary revenue stream and have charged only token amounts of money for rebroadcast. In recent years they have had to bundle more and more channels together to reach the same levels of ad revenue, forcing carriers to take all the channels or nothing. Now, as DVR's become more and more common, networks are going to have to increase their pay-tv revenue stream in order to compensate for unhappy advertisers. Cable and satellite viewers are obviously going to foot this bill, since it sure isn't going to come from folks who still have rabbit ears on the telly. It remains to be seen what Congress will do, but Charlie is making all of the above arguements and more in the hope of improving SHVIA when it's renewed this year. Congress and the FCC appear most interested in keeping OTA television viable first, then looking at issues of monopoly and fair trade practices. In the end I think we're going to get more access to network television via satellite and cable, but we're going to pay for it in the form of increased rebroadcast charges.

    --- WCS
     
  5. Mar 6, 2004 #45 of 958
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    Look, you can put anything you want in a contract, but that doesn't make it legally binding. If it was argued that the removal of the channels caused the service to be fundamentally different and inadequate (which it could), I'm not so sure that agreement would hold up.

    If Dish were to remove all channels but HSN and still try to collect a monthly payment, I don't think there is a judge on this planet that would side with them.

    It's kind of like those non-compete clauses companies have you sign saying you can't go work for a competitor. They hardly ever hold up in court.

    Even if the service agreement is bidning there are other avenues that can be pursued like the Better Business Bureau and the state's attorney's office.
     
  6. Mar 6, 2004 #46 of 958
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    HeavyC - oh Yeah ? Let us know if you get socked with a large bill to get out of your contract...
     
  7. Mar 6, 2004 #47 of 958
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    Non -compete clauses are made to be broken - But this is something entirely different.
     
  8. Mar 6, 2004 #48 of 958
    HeavyC

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    Believe what you want.
     
  9. Mar 6, 2004 #49 of 958
    Jarrett76

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    I agree with HeavyC. When I had my system installed the installer who I know was quite candid about people not being satisfied ending their contract early and nothing could be done to collect. If dish was to lose the channels and not replace them, or give a credit the contract could be void. The AT50 would be bare without these channels.
     
  10. Mar 6, 2004 #50 of 958
    HeavyC

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    That's all I'm saying. The Service Agreement is far from a binding iron clad contract. There's very little they can legally bind you into doing. It's just that that most people take it at face value. I'm not a lawyer or anything, but I had to study contract law briefly in college, and there are a lot of ways out of supposed contracts.
     
  11. Mar 6, 2004 #51 of 958
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    Not necessarily. DISH has a problem collecting cancellation fees and contract penalties from deadbeat customers. Those are the ones who get shut off for non-pay during the first 12 months (99.5% of *our* disconnect customers are non-pay, not voluntary). The reason DISH can't collect is that they are either maxed out on their credit card, used a debit card that doesn't have funds in the account, have bad credit so they don't care about - and are used to dodging - bill collectors and collection agencies, and/or customer can't be found.

    Voluntary disconnects have a much higher collection ratio.

    You may get out of paying the cancellation penalties, but it will still end up as a collection item if not paid. It all depends on what your credit looks like now as to whether it would be worth not paying. ;)
     
  12. Mar 6, 2004 #52 of 958
    HeavyC

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    I'm not saying, just quit and refuse to pay. I'm saying that I believe you'll be able to get Dish to let you out of your contract thereby elminating any fees whatsoever.
     
  13. Mar 6, 2004 #53 of 958
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    I certainly hope it doesn't come to that. If it does, I know many independent retailers who will be forced out of business because of chargebacks. Even if DISH lets a customer out of their contract (even in the event of death), DISH still takes back most or all installation, activation, and equipment reimbursement payments from the retailer. As expensive as DISH's equipment is, it would be very easy to get an $800 chargeback per customer from this shenanigan. :eek2:

    I have faith that it will all get worked out. Surely you guys can live without these channels for a couple days. That's all I believe it would take for Viacom to get the point.

    I know you don't give a rat's *** about harm caused to a retailer from you actions, but remember that there is always another side.

    Back to the contract issue, why even have a contract if no one intends to abide by what they signed and agreed to?
     
  14. Mar 6, 2004 #54 of 958
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    That's brilliant! You have just undermined the foundation of all U.S. contract law.

    A legal contract is binding upon all parties to the contract, with few execptions, such as majority, capacity, fraud or terms in conflict with applicible laws. The adjudication of such exceptions is in a court of competent jurisdiction. Or, parties to the contract can mutually agree to a modification of terms. Beyond that, you're pretty much screwed.

    Obviously, you've never bought and financed a second-hand car with a used car dealer then tried to take it back to cancel the deal.

    Always read and understand any document before you sign it.

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  15. Mar 6, 2004 #55 of 958
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    Thanks for telling me stuff I already knew. Wow, that helped.

    All I'm saying is that I think Dish could be treading in dangerous territory here if they jerk their customers around. I'd be very surprised if there were not some legal ways out of the agreement. That's all.
     
  16. Mar 6, 2004 #56 of 958
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    I dont think that its Dish doing the jerking around
    :nono2: :nono2: why dont you post your thought on the situation over here!!! http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mb?s=VIAb :mad: :mad:
     
  17. Mar 6, 2004 #57 of 958
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    Don't you people see what Dish is doing to you? We have the right as customers to decide this! We are the customers, Me, You, Everyone in this Forum Are customers! DO YOU HEAR ME! WE HAVE THE RIGHT AS CUSTOMERS! Dish is trying to speak for us! I MEAN COME ON! THIS CRAZY!
     
  18. Mar 6, 2004 #58 of 958
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    IMHO
    Viacom (especially of the last year)has mostly "junk" programing. VERY LITTLE NEW content and certainly NOT unreplace-able.
    If Viacom dried up and blew away I would NOT shed a tear.
     
  19. Mar 6, 2004 #59 of 958
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    I was just watching MTV on Dish and a scroll bar came across in white letters saying "Attention Echostar/Dish Network Subscribers: Dish Network has threatened to take..." and then apparently Dish Network blacked out the bottom of the screen where the rest of the message was. It's WAR!!!
     
  20. Mar 6, 2004 #60 of 958
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    Where ya been? :grin:
     
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