Viacom Channel Takedown Information (Revisited)

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  1. Mar 6, 2004 #61 of 958
    Richard King

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    I never realized that Echostar Communications, Inc. was a democracy. When did this happen? Charlie has to tread a fine line between what is good for his customers and what is good for his shareholders. In this situation if he gets a lower price for the (mostly) crap that Viacom distributes he is doing what is best for both customers and shareholders. As for rights of customers, until you buy more than 50% of the voting shares out there the only right you have is to voice your opinion or change services.
     
  2. Mar 6, 2004 #62 of 958
    Nick

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    We have the RIGHT to do what?

    "Don't you people see what Dish is doing to you?"

    Yes, I DO see what Dish is doing - providing me with the programming I want to watch.

    "We have the right as customers to decide this!"

    The contract under negotiation is between E* and Viacon. WE are not a party to that contract. We have no "rights", as you say.

    "Dish is trying to speak for us! I MEAN COME ON! THIS CRAZY!"

    There is no "us" in these negotiations, except that E* is trying to hold the line on rate increases, which, if successful, will benefit "us" customers.

    May I suggest you carefully adjust your aluminum hat and chill before you have a stroke.

    :rolleyes:
     
  3. Mar 6, 2004 #63 of 958
    Mark Holtz

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    I'd bet that the cable providers are extremely thrilled with having "crawl" messages over something that doesn't affect then, and may actually constitute as free advertising.

    So, please, tell me what you would be missing if the Viacom channels went off the air. For me, it would be only one program, Heat Guy J on MTV2, but that series is being released on DVD, and will probably be repeated several times. Battlebots is gone no thanks to Comedy Clueless. Many of us "spiked" TNN because of the black bar on the bottom of the screen. Just how much programming on those 20 Viacom channels are considered "fresh" programming?

    Lets face it folks. We're pawns in this power struggle, and no matter what agreement is hammered out, the customer loses. It's bad enough that we all have to swollow ESPN as part of ANY programming package as $2+ per subscriber, and they're part of Darth Maus, not Viacom. How about the fact that Comcast is using loopholes to prevent the DBS providers from carrying their sports channels... period?

    So, where do you draw the line? You can tell from my signature what channels I would like to see. Sure, I'm DirecTV now, but I was Dish before, and my decision to switch to DirecTV has absolutely NOTHING to do with the programming.
     
  4. Mar 6, 2004 #64 of 958
    Richard King

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    Echostar, Viacom deadlocked but hope seen in dispute
    Full story here: http://finance.lycos.com/qc/news/story.aspx?symbols=NASDAQ:DISH&story=200403060221_RTR_N05472956
     
  5. Mar 6, 2004 #65 of 958
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    FINE THEN! "WE'RE" ALL SCREWED! HOW IS THAT!
     
  6. Mar 6, 2004 #66 of 958
    JohnGfun

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    WHAT? NO ONE WANT TO COMMENT TO BEING SCREWED! :mad:

    DIDN'T THINK SO!
     
  7. Mar 6, 2004 #67 of 958
    Nick

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    Well, you may be SCREWED, but I am certainly not. The only Viacon I ever watched was Comedy, and that was very seldom. I prefer to go to HBO Comedy for my comedy. I dig Dennis Miller re-runs from the mid-90s.

    Do what you have to do, John, but just because you like to type in caps, don't expect everyone here to jump on your bandwagon.

    Sorry. :(
     
  8. Mar 6, 2004 #68 of 958
    reddice

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    We will be switching to Directv on Tuesday not mainly because of the dispute because we keep getting Error's and the sw64 crap swtiches keep breaking and will not pay $370 to upgrade to something that won't break in a month when it rains.
     
  9. Mar 6, 2004 #69 of 958
    latlog

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    I'm not a heavy duty dish net viewer but when I saw the message get blacked out I figured something was up and found this site. Thanks for the info. Looks like someone hit a nerve.
     
  10. Mar 6, 2004 #70 of 958
    JohnGfun

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    Sorry, this has gotten me really upset. basicly all i watch is Viacom Channels. :)
     
  11. Mar 6, 2004 #71 of 958
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    Well here is what I have started to see out of all of this.. Viacom must care a great deal that E* is not renewing because they started all these scrollers. I mean if they really didn't care if they lost the customer base then they would not go through all the trouble. E* should stick to their guns so that we do not keep getting stuck with rate increases everytime these networks try and increase their rates. I mean... if we got no commercials on these channels then I could see the huge cost... But we still get nailed with alot of commercials especially on channels like VH1 and MTV. As for the nick channels I still don't see why there has to be so many... but this is just my view of all of this. I will miss comedy central if it goes... but oh well and the star trek reruns on spike are starting to become old.

    On a side note i noticed that the frequency of these scollers has changed it seems to be about 17 min into each hour sometimes later. They started off at the first 10 min but now they seem to be changing that. E* is still managing to block the scrollers though.

    -Compdude-
     
  12. Mar 6, 2004 #72 of 958
    jericho29

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    I'm not so sure. Cable TV runs ads of their own (I see them non-stop whenever I'm at someones house with cable) talking about Dish and how bad it is. (filled with all kinds of rediculous lies as well) These complaint crawlers on Viacom channels establish the same result for the cable companies as their own ads, and they don't even have to use ad time for it.


    Also, whoever said that this will hurt Dish Network more than Viacom needs to think about the facts. Viacom is actually running crawlers over their programming, for something that isn't even promotional related. (Lord knows they run enough crawlers the way it is) If they didn't care, I don't think they would go to this length.
     
  13. Mar 6, 2004 #73 of 958
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    The installers should be complaining because they do have the most to lose. I can guarantee you people will not go without these channels when they are paying for them. The contract is ok if dish replaces the channels, or takes off a portions off the bill, but if they dont do that they are in trouble.
     
  14. Mar 6, 2004 #74 of 958
    JohnGfun

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    Thank you! A agree. :)
     
  15. Mar 6, 2004 #75 of 958
    Jacob S

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    This is bad news for WWE fans. You will miss out on your monday night wrestling, while I will have to answer the complaints from customers of mine threatening to shut it off and telling me that they dont care about the contract, that I can sue them if I want, blah blah blah. This is going to HURT if they are off for too long. If Dish gets compensated for losses like I have seen mentioned before then the retailers hould also receive compensation for losses.

    Even if Dish would stand more to lose than Viacom that does not mean that Viacom does not stand to lose a lot and would not give in first. More to lose in the short run or in the long run? Perhaps this could be an example set for those in the future that may decide to do the same thing.
     
  16. Mar 6, 2004 #76 of 958
    Richard King

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    Which goes to show what Viacom thinks of the value of their programming if they would send this message even to those who are totally uneffected. By the way, I agree with them about the "value" of their programming. The vast majority is pure crap.
     
  17. Mar 6, 2004 #77 of 958
    JohnGfun

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    I haven't seen any more scrolling? Has anyone else?
     
  18. Mar 6, 2004 #78 of 958
    compdude68

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    just saw one on comedy central, they havn't seemed to have stoped yet. The timing of the messages seems to be changing though.

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  19. Mar 6, 2004 #79 of 958
    jericho29

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    Does Direct TV have these issues like Dish always seems to have? The issue of the threat of shutting off programming because of rate increases they don't want to pay? If not, then I'm curious why Direct TV isn't a lot more expensive than Dish.
     
  20. Mar 7, 2004 #80 of 958
    Pepper

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    Why doesn't Charlie just offer the Viacom stuff (and ESPN stuff for that matter) as an a-lacarte package by itself and reduce the price of the rest of the packages. Those that wanted to pay the inflated fees for Viacom and ESPN could do so, the rest of us would enjoy a rate decrease.
     
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