Viacom Channel Takedown Information (Revisited)

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  1. Mar 7, 2004 #81 of 958
    and this will stink if it happens. Have you never watched Chappelles Show on Comedy Central? That's one of the funniest and most innovative sketch comedies around. You also gotta love all the VH1 lists, as redundant as they may get.
    I'm going to stay in touch with this board and see what happens to you guys that have the brass pair to fight your service agreement. If it turns out do-able, I'll definitely end up leaving if this is a permanent deal.
     
  2. Mar 7, 2004 #82 of 958
    Mike123abc

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    If the Viacom agreement is not in place by the time CC occurs I wonder if Charlie will be at the chat?

    Even if Viacom channels are cut off, I doubt that it would be more than a couple days.

    I predict that Viacom will stay on and nicktoons will be added, it will just be interesting to see if it is in AT60 or AT120. I doubt that E* could negotiate it to AT180.
     
  3. Mar 7, 2004 #83 of 958
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    So do I. In the contract it says as lon as echostar gives you sufficient notice. Well where is this sufficient notice? Just to wake up monday morning, turn on mtv, nick, comedy, bet, spike, vh1 or cmt and find it blacked out? I don't think that is sufficient notice and if you went to court and dish were asked where the sufficient notice was that was supposed to be sent to ALL customers and they couldn't come up with it dish would be in a heap of ****. And please do NOT tell me they gave us sufficient notice. Even the black bar that they could claim provided us sufficient notice, has been blacked out so they can't use that as sufficient notice.
     
  4. Mar 7, 2004 #84 of 958
    Mark Holtz

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    Because the program providers won't allow you to pick the channels a'la carte.

    I saw the crawl during the recording of Heat Guy J on MTV2.
     
  5. Mar 7, 2004 #85 of 958
    hpman247

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    Wow, who cares about Viacom channels, but getting rid of ESPN to a-la-carte, that would really p me off. ESPN is IMHO one of the best channels on tv.
     
  6. Mar 7, 2004 #86 of 958
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    A couple things I can think of out of all this is the advertising that will not be seen by viewers. Like Spike TV and the WWE, and a Toy being advertised on Nick. And so on and what not. Think of all the money the people who advertise on those channels will loose because x number of viewers will not see those commericals.
    This may be far fetched but,
    Viacom and Dish are putting people out of work and in a small way even impact the market places.
    In my opion its like people downloading of the net and not paying for it, Sh!t rolls down hill and others are effected.
     
  7. Mar 7, 2004 #87 of 958
    James Long

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    And therin lies the lie. The contract for carrying Viacom programs expired December 31st. E* got a court order allowing them to continue to carry the channels while negotiations were ongoing. On February 27th the judge gave E* a final 10 day extension (until Monday Night, Midnight Pacific Time - the judge is in California).

    E* isn't threatening to remove them. E* is losing the legal permission to carry Viacom's channels and *VIACOM* is refusing to extend E* permission to carry the channels during the negotiations.

    But that doesn't look good on a crawl. "Attention Echostar/Dish Network Subscribers: Viacom will pull this and all other channels we own from the Dish Network service if Echostar refuses to accept our demands of higher prices and forced channel carriage and package placement that will lower Echostar's profitability or raise your Dish Network bill. DirecTV has already paid the extortion payment, but we will still destroy the viewability of our programs on DirecTV and cable. We will continue to damage our product until you are as sick of Viacom as possible, and the value of the channels sink to what Echostar/Dish Network is willing to pay."

    JL
     
  8. Mar 7, 2004 #88 of 958
    junki

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    justalurker is that what the crawler really says? I have not seen it.
     
  9. Mar 7, 2004 #89 of 958
    James Long

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    Notice was given in the December and January Charlie Chats. Plus the Viacom channels WILL BE THERE Monday morning ... it is Tuesday Morning that is up to Viacom. If Viacom doesn't allow E* to continue to carry the channels, they be gone.

    JL
     
  10. Mar 7, 2004 #90 of 958
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    All of you who think charlie is right need to stop smoking crack and wake up. it may sound good in theory but in the real world its suicide. without viacoms major channels, dish will not be able to compete with other providers and will go bankrupt when the majority goes to dtv or cable. we are not talking 1, 2 or 3 channels we are talking about 15-20-25 major channels which by the way are very important to many subscribers. look at echostars stock on friday, it dropped almost 1.50 per share. just wait and see what it does on tuesday when the viacoms get pulled. can you say plummett. yes many of you don't care for these channels but many of us do. even if dish loses 25 - 50% of its viewers it will be a major impact and guess who will then have to pickup the tab and pay the increased rates... yes it will be you who are left to make up the difference. the principle is there but the end result will be suicide. so when your paying more money for a lot less channels you can say to yourself , " well, at least charlie did the right thing". think about it.
     
  11. Mar 7, 2004 #91 of 958
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    So you think Charlie should just lay down and let viacom rape him? This is not a pretty situation but its not Charlie who is making it that way. Satellite Dish TV is still an underdog and that means networks may try to take advatange of it. If you just want to pay someone what they offer (even if its 10 times more than they offer it to someone else) so be it, but you will always be on the bottom with that kind of management. Charlie is not dumb enough to leave Viacom off forever, and he knows Viacom can't lose 8 million viewers and get away with it either. So its just going to be a showdown of who can hold out longer, Viacom with discounted ads every hour they are off Dish, or Dish with viewers and sales outlets more upset every hour Viacom is off. Either way, I applaud Charlie for taking a stand on our rates. If its true that Direct TV has paid the inflated rates, then I wouldn't want to be their customer when their rates have to go up even more.
     
  12. Mar 7, 2004 #92 of 958
    James Long

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    I've only seen part of the text once ... and a few blacked channels while searching for it. They had the top and bottom of BET blacked a few minutes ago.

    Perhaps someone who Tivo'd it or caught it missed by the black box could give a transcript?

    This just in (as best as I can remember) ...
    Attenion ECHOSTAR/DISH NETWORK subscribers: DISH NETWORK has threatened to take away the following channels from DISH NETWORK suubscribers: ...​
    And then the E* tech blacked out the banner ...

    Yeah, Viacom is lying. "Viacom is refusing to give permission for DISH NETWORK viewers to see their content" would be more accurate.

    JL
     
  13. Mar 7, 2004 #93 of 958
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    I don't think MOST of the subscribers watch the charlie chats. Unless Echostar puts a message on each viacom station tomorrow or monday telling people of the possible shutoff of those stations or telling their subscribers to tune to a predefined channel (105 or 106 maybe) to see information on the possible shutdown I doubt they stand a chance in court if someone would sue on the condition of the line I described in my post. The fact is I know at least cable companies are required to give 30 days notice at least before any changes to the channel offerings or lineups occur. They usually do this via bills, legal notices in the papers, and even sending out fliers in the mail. As far as I know echostar HAS NOT done this. Now whether or not echostar is bound by the same 30 day notice law or not remains to be seen. But I'm sure if a subscriber were to take his contract to a lawyer and point out that line and say echostar did not provide sufficient notice as to the shutdown of the stations then a class action lawsuit could be brought forth against echostar. Heck you might even be able to get the government involved with the federal attorney general and the state attorney generals.
     
  14. Mar 7, 2004 #94 of 958
    James Long

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    So you file your suit at first light on Tuesday?

    And 105 and 106? 105 is USA Network ... no need to bump them off of the air for Viacom ... 106 is TVLand -- the moment the feed is dropped you'll see Charlie there. Just as he mentioned in the Charlie Chats.

    Threaten all you want. Bashing E* won't solve the problem.

    JL
     
  15. Mar 7, 2004 #95 of 958
    PACOP

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    the point is as in the recent forbes article, viacom is offering dish the same deal as dtv and cable. so why is dish insistant that its to much a rate increase when viacom is being fair all across the board. they want a 5% rate hike which is what they settled on with dtv and cable. have you thought maybe charlie is being too unreasonable?
     
  16. Mar 7, 2004 #96 of 958
    Mark Holtz

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    The crawl, as it ran on Heat Guy J on MTV reads:

    Attention Echostar/Dish Network subscribers. You may soon LOSE the following channels: BET Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, MTV, VH1, Nick at Nite, and many more channels from Nickelodeon and MTV. Call 1-800-DISH NOW and tell Dish Network that you want to keep the channels you paid for!
     
  17. Mar 7, 2004 #97 of 958
    James Long

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    Quite different than the partial I caught a few minutes ago. Viacom should run the banner you saw ... it is more honest.

    (Although calling E* won't help. E* wants the same thing, to keep the channels their subs are paying for. Viacom has to give them the permission to continue, unless a new judge gives E* another court order. Possibly based on call volumes demonstrating E*'s point that losing the channels would hurt their business, combined with proof that Viacom intends E* harm demonstrated by the flooding of E*'s CS centers with phone calls.)

    JL
     
  18. Mar 7, 2004 #98 of 958
    Mark Holtz

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    Well, at 10:46 PM PT on TV Land, the following crawled across my screen:

    Attention ECHOSTAR/DISH NETWORK SUBSCRIBERS: DISH NETWORK has threatened to take away the following channels from DISH NETWORK subscribers: BET, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, MTV, VH1, Nick at Nite, and many more channels from Nickelodeon and MTV. DISH NETWORK SUBSCRIBERS Call 1-800-333-DISH now and tell DISH NETWORK that you want to keep the the channels you paid for!
     
  19. Mar 7, 2004 #99 of 958
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    Viacom is (rightfully so) worried about losing E*s viewership. [I say 'losing' but it's obviously their choice....with as many commercials as they run every hour it's tough to believe they're not making enough money] They obviously know that they're in a tough spot or they wouldn't be showing those crawls. I think it's great that Dish is blocking them. I just wonder what'll happen if Viacom decides to create spots to run during the breaks that explain what they're trying to say in the crawls. Could get ugly :nono2: ...I'm looking forward to the Charlie Chat.
     
  20. Mar 7, 2004 #100 of 958
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    Somebody help me, I am confused about the cut-off time. Is it midnight, 21 hours from now, or midnight 45 hours from now?
     
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