The new standard remote is a HUGE step BACKWARDS. One my main DTV peeves is the top level "doink" while the dish remote does not mock you with the "doink" sound effect when you hit a button that does nutton. DTV has them all over and DiSH was pretty doink free, until now, design 101 you add sub-menus because you are out of top level menus. So how did they decide that the Up/Down on the main navigation compass, the 2 biggest, most ergonomic, easiest to find/reach buttons should do NOTHING at the top level? I don't get it? I asked the tech when he needed a remote to prog a new box and I gave him one of the old ones. He didn't get why I refused to use the new remotes, well cause its BROKEN. The buttons for channel up/down are intentionally disabled and you are forced to bend your thumb in a uncomfortable angle and feel for what should be the page up/down buttons in order to change the channel. Unfortunately my old 4 series are wearing out and looking at the voice remote, voice AND touchpad? Really the 2 worst ways ever to control something uughh.. It looks like the remote you get in he||, always misunderstood and constantly being touched in unexpected and unwelcome places. I'm thinking ebay and the old remotes unless by some miracle touch/voice is peanut butter and chocolate and not peanut butter and, well not chocolate..