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Vote for new features for the 721!

Discussion in 'Standard Definition Receiver Support Forum' started by Scott Greczkowski, Dec 20, 2002.

What feature would you like to see added?

  1. Weather application

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  2. Triple timer conflict resolution screen

    8 vote(s)
    10.5%
  3. New record option

    27 vote(s)
    35.5%
  4. Custom Theme

    10 vote(s)
    13.2%
  5. Event record start/ end time adjustment

    5 vote(s)
    6.6%
  6. Non-subscription channels flagged in favorites list

    26 vote(s)
    34.2%
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  1. Jacob S

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    Then if they have the feature on the DP for not having a timer and not having it fire, how come do they not implement this on this new feature idea for adjusting the time if it is changed for a show?

    I do not think this time adjustment is as good as I thought it was because it does not solve the problem that we wanted solved, it just makes an attempt in which most times will not work because most of the time a show's time is changed completely instead of just starting early or being delayed.
     
  2. Scott Greczkowski

    Scott Greczkowski Banned User

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    The second tuner is always tuned and downloading guide info in the backround on the second tuner when the second tuner is not in use.

    No reason to shut it off, unless you want to save power on the LED Power Light. :)
     
  3. Bill D

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    Scott, boba has a 508..
     
  4. bunkers

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    Is it just me --- or isn't turning off the 501/508/721 a pretty easy thing to do?!

    I will admit I wish I could power off the unit (automatically) after the currently executing timer(s) are completed.

    If your problem is not related to currently executing timers (which prevent you from turning off the power at that time) -- then
    I would just try to make a habit of pressing the power off button for the receiver at the same time you power off your TV set. I know that sometimes if its recording that you can't turn it off then, but most of the time the power off at bedtime routine should serve you well.

    Maybe what you really wanted to ask for was the ability to "power off", even if a timer is currently in progress -- and what that would actually do is:

    * the reciever would acknowledge your power off button push and then put the unit into the power off mode after its done recording -- maybe it would display a brief message saying "The receiver will shut off after the current timer event(s) are finished."
    The message would not require an <ok>, but would just pop up for a couple of seconds and then go away on its own.

    So right now, the PVR(s) seems to resume to the mode ("on" or "off") it was in when the currently executing timer was started -- but with the kind of enhancement I am talking about, you could allow the power off button press to the be noted (w/ message as above) and then this sets the default mode to "off", even if the mode was "on" when the currently executing timer was started. Seems like it would be simple to do -- and meets my needs and is less complicated that creating timer based power-on and power-off type events, IMHO.
     
  5. LarryH

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    Not necessarily - depends how the patent is written. If the patent describes "user-entered search strings" as the method for setting up timers, then this new feature may not violate the patent. Even after this enhancement, we would still be setting up timers via the EPG (instead of using a search string).
     
  6. MediaMills

    MediaMills AllStar/Supporter

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    I am assuming that the logic of making this happen would compare the timer runtimes to the EPG. That isn't going to help record "Friends" that runs from 7:00 to 7:33 because the guide says "Friends" runs from 7:00 to 7:30.

    Again we're back to Garbage in, Garbage out. I just wish that they wouldn't stick extra ads into "Friends" because they sell for more money making the runtime long, then cut ads from the next show because they don't make as much money on those...and that show runs :27 minutes.
    The networks will do anything for an extra buck. :(
     
  7. bunkers

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    Using friends as the example of a problematic timer:

    Does TIVO handle shows like this?

    And if so, it is just because their guide is more accurate?

    It seems like maybe the dish EPG needs to expand beyond the same 30 minute increments to handle this. Can it already?

    Does replayTV handle this?
     
  8. ericha

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    It seems to me that this isn't a feature, but rather how the product should have worked in the 1st place.
     
  9. dbronstein

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    None of the PVRs can handle it. They have no way of knowing that a show scheduled from 7 to 7:30 is actually going to run from 6:59 to 7:33. That's why they let you pad the record times. The big problem that the 721 has with this is you can only pad the start times by 1 minute. They need to let us pad as long as we want, like we can do with the end times.

    Of course if the networks would actually provide the real start and end times in the listings, the PVRs would handle them just fine.

    Dennis
     
  10. Karl Foster

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    I can't speak for DirecTivo, but Ultimatetv handles this automatically when the local station provides the proper information. When Friends had their "super-size" episodes, our local NBC station (KSL in Salt Lake City) had the proper times on the guide - 7:00 - 7:33. The UTV automatically adjutsted the time and it was recorded properly. Manually padding the ending wasn't necessary.

    If the station doesn't provide right times, though, no PVR will be able to catch it.
     
  11. Karl Foster

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    What about parental controls? Will the 721 have them anytime soon?
     
  12. Bill D

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    Thats a great ??, my kids are still young enough were it isn't a problem, but this should be a priority as well
     
  13. bunkers

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    The (simple) parental controls I have suggested could take the form of a "banned list", where you could enter a password and maintain a "banned list" of channels and then those channels would no longer be accessible, nor found in the EPG or in searches. To enable viewing of these channels, you would need to enter a password to toggle out of the banned list filtering mode.

    This particular enhancement would have the additional benefit of filtering out channels which you never watch and/or don't like scrolling though -- i.e. home shopping channels, maybe some foreign language channels, etc ...

    For me, I would just be happy if my kids didn't have to see all those XXX PPV channels -- even the titles of those shows can contain words and phrases you don't want your kids seeing!

    I think DISH needs to consider this enhancement very seriously.
     
  14. bunkers

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    Regarding the question of the DISH EPG having correct start and end times -- it sounds like DISH has either one of two problems here.

    (A) they cannot or do not enter shows in anything but in 30 minute multiples (i.e. 30 minutes is the lowest common denominator) or

    (B) the are not entering accurate enough information into the EPG, or their source of information is not very accurate when it comes to these "super sized" episodes.

    I have also noticed that some shows - show up as 1 hour in the EPG, whereas others show up as 2 30 minutes shows (back to back), even though when you watch them, they are really a single show in both cases.

    I wonder if fixing the EPG guide data wouldn't be easier than adding more enhancements to correct the timers to handle these abnormalities. Maybe its just a deficiency of being time and channel based and not name based.
     
  15. Jacob S

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    I think it is a Program Guide issue. Is there a way that they can at least add a feature telling you that your show's time has changed and then from that point you can change your time on a screen? It might not be automatic but at least you would know about it. A warning could pop up before the timer fires.
     
  16. goblin

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    I wonder if it would be sufficient to just have a conflict resolution screen that we could check once a week or so to make manual individual override adjustments (including one time cancels) to any timers that are:

    1) in conflict with other timers
    2) don't completely cover a show as listed in the current program guide
    3) no longer match the name of the show that was originally at that slot
    when the timer was created (sneaky, but this may be free from any
    name-based recording patent infringement concerns)

    With the complexities of managing event timer padding, show extensions &reschedulings, patent mazes, and two tuners, I question if even the software wizards at E* could put together an automated conflict resolution system that would make us all happy. Granted, resolving problems manually might be too much for joe sixpack (or with deepest respect: my wife) to deal with -- but at least everyone could see where the current week's problems occur.

    I think it would be great if the 721 could present us with a list of 'problems' as described above and provide an advanced manual process to make ad-hoc timer overrides and adjustments for those of us willing to puzzle out the best resolution to the conflicts (matching our individual priorities -- not a software program's). Over time E* could create AI routines to make resolution 'suggestions' and as that software matured, it could become a standard automated option for those who would rather not manually tweak things.
     
  17. bunkers

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    I think Jason and goblin are right on the money -- I very much like these ideas.

    I believe I have come to the same basic conclusion -- that a manual method of dealing with problems would be the best solution (not the best), but would allow all the (usually justified) whiners to be enabled to fix things, if they so desired.

    I think if they implement the 1x override capability (#2) as a result of this survey, the next step would be to allow for some kind of conflict (and/or problem -- as you defined problems) management screen.

    When you pick a show to record on the PVR, if they stored the channel, the start,stop time, and the name -- then they could check all this information, for all timers against the current EPG (whenever the EPG is updated) to see if anything is in disagreement and if so, then just flag it as a "possble" conflict managed item for this week. It'll still record if nothing is done (as it would now), but it would give you a little "to do" list of problems to resolve/look into if you were so inclined.

    I believe my wife would/could do this -- and is considerably better than I am at navigating the menus and options (grin).

    I think this functionality is probably more an an issue for 501/508 folks -- but all PVR users would benefit when an EPG change occurs.
     
  18. TerryC

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    The networks are scared to death of PVRs. They aren't going to help us.
     
  19. bunkers

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    I would be curious to hear what DISH execs would say about the possibility of using/adding name based timers on its PVR(s).

    I wonder why this has never come up on a Charlie Chat or Tech Forum?

    Is this something that has been seriously considered? -- or did they just set out to create a hard drive based VCR (with timeslot based timers) instead?

    Is there even a remote chance that a scripting language could be developed (or shared) which allows 3rd party folks )or individuals) to develop standalone plug-ins for the DISH PVR receivers?
     
  20. Jacob S

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    If it would tell us if the title of the show did not match what was orginally planned for that time slot that would help a LOT! A warning that it is not the same show and then show us when that show comes on again, a list of times for that show and then you can select the time you want it to record. It would be like a search, so it could do a search and then you select which one to record if it came up different on the guide.
     
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