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VP Cheney shoots campaign contributor

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  1. DonLandis

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    pjmt- Can't agree with you this time, my friend. From the news shows I saw, the news was indeed held back and continues to be elusive. I feel that Cheney should have come forward immediately with an apology for the accident to let the people know. I'm a gun lover but not a hunter. But what I do know is that to this date something doesn't add up. The level of wounds sustained at 90 yards with a shotgun. 90 yards is what was in the police report as reported by several news stories. I don't think hunter's chatter would have made a difference at that distance. Fact is the victim was down range of the hunter and that was clearly an accident waiting to happen.

    BTW- the last time I went Pheasant hunting in Pennsylvania at 18 years old, I was shot by another hunter about 50 yards away. Pellets landed all around me as I saw them in the grass and several "bounced off my heavy canvass hunting jacket. Nothing broke that but I did have a sting wound on the cheek near my lip that drew a bit of blood. The hunter did not aim at me, he shot in the air and I was at the other end of the trajectory. I'm not a ballistics expert but it seems to me that at that distance the pellets had lost significant velocity, probably due to wind drag. I find the stories still being bandied about the news as mostly speculation. The White House and the VP needs to go before the people and state his accounting of what he did and an apology for having made this mistake. IMO, he has not helped the gun lovers and hunters of the country and does worse with his ignoring the voters and especially those of us who voted for him. I am disappointed. The Democrats don't need to say anything because these guys are fuxing up right and left lately.
     
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  3. billpa

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    Well, that's a start!
    Now they BOTH screwed up...Like the hunting expert at Field and Stream said---it's the guy with the gun...you don't fire unless you KNOW what's going to be hit.
    PJ, You didn't hear people on Monday saying that Whittington failed to "announce" he had comeback from someplace? I sure did.


    HOLD ON SON!
    I never said I've never screwed up, but if I put the car in reverse without looking behind me and I hit someone, I sure as hell would take the blame- I wouldn't say that the kid next door 'forgot' to call out his whereabouts.

    I know it's easier to focus on what the media did and to complain about its role in all of this, but this is a Dick Cheney-made event.
     
  4. Richard King

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    http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/15/cheney/index.html
    "I am the guy who pulled the trigger and shot my friend," Cheney told Fox News in an interview broadcast Wednesday evening. "That is something I will never forget."

    Cheney's host at the south Texas ranch where the accident took place Saturday evening had earlier said that the victim, 78-year-old Harry Whittington, had been shot after rejoining the quail-hunting party without announcing himself.

    But Cheney said Wednesday, "Ultimately, I am the guy who pulled the trigger and fired the round that hit Harry.

    "You can talk about all the other conditions that existed at the time, but that's the bottom line," he said. "It's not Harry's fault. You can't blame anybody else."
     
  5. pjmrt

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    Well that's a start too. I'm not talking about taking the blame, I think Cheney did just that. But would you make a special effort to get in front of the media and "come clean"? It was a bad accident. Is it deserving of the level of media attention its getting? Maybe, if the guy's injuries are as serious as they now seem. Should Cheney be criticized for not jumping in front of the TV press right away? Only if you are part of the press. His only "crime" there is one of offending the almighty press mafia. As much as I dislike Cheney otherwise, he scores points for that one in my opinion. If there is a need to "blame somebody", Cheney gets the larger piece of pie since he's the one who fired the gun. But this thing called "communication" requires two parties. Cheney cannot be expected to read the guy's mind and know he's moved. Sure Cheney should have made for damn sure where his friend was. But bottom line, it was an accident, a bad one. Back to you analogy - you back up over a kid, you take the blame -- sure, agreed. BUT, if the kid was in a place where you either could not or with difficulty see him, are you saying the kid is ALSO blameless? People make mistakes. They have since the beginning. Cheney regrets the shooting more than anybody. Like I said earlier, people (even experienced people) make mistakes that lead to accidents.
     
  6. billpa

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    If I was the Vice President of United States? Yes.


    Of course he can't read the other guy's mind. That's why he has to make sure there are no humans down range BEFORE he fires the gun.
    By the way, Cheney agrees with me on this.

    YOU were the one that came up with the backing-up-the-car-without-looking analogy- but to answer your question, if I'm driving a car I have to make sure no one is behind me before I hit the gas...that's it. People walk behind cars all the time, in parking lots and in driveways, so yes it would be up to ME, the driver, to make sure I had the 'all clear'.
     
  7. jonstad

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    And it only took him FOUR DAYS of accessing the situation for him to present his mea culpa in a cozy little sit-down with Brit Hume!:rolleyes: Has Cheney EVER held an actual press conference???:scratchin

    Meanwhile, GOP and media lackies harped on the talking point that Wittington had literally thrown himself into Cheney's line of fire. In essence, that the Veep had no choice but to shoot him.:sure: And pj, if you didn't hear this innuendo incessantly chattered across the airwaves, you just weren't listening!

    Accidents happen. They are most often regrettable. If blame can be placed, it is rare it rests wholly on one individual. However, as Cheney has finally admitted, in person, he pulled the trigger. That a 78 year old man may have committed a quail hunting faux pas doesn't absolve him.

    Incidentally pj, if you or I or Bill or Richard didn't look, and backed our vehicle over someone or something, do you suppose investigating officers should be content to interview us by appointment 8am the next morning? Would the media be "in a feeding frenzy" if they reported it, or speculated why it was nearly 24 hours before our "accident" became public knowledge?

    This was NOT you or I or Bill or Richard though, it was the Vice-President of the United States! I'm willing to accept this was a relatively innocent accident. But the entire incident is a metaphor for the arrogance of this administration and the disdain they hold for the press AND the people, that they will tell us what they want us to know, when they want us to know it. It is just another indication that they consider they are above the law. That they make the rules to suit themselves and it is presumptuous to expect otherwise.

    The attitude shown here is just like so many others. "How DARE the press(or anyone for that matter) question the methods and motives of this administration!?!" "Obviously they must be 'Bush-haters', or at least disloyal and unpatriotic!"
     
  8. tomcrown1

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    I know not to go hunting with cheney when beer is involved. I wonder if cheney shot his friend because of unwelcome advances?? Did his friend take the name dick to mean and cheny not liking it shot him. Makes you think. moral do not drink and hunt.
     
  9. Bogy

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    Another element to the question of why it took so long to report. On Monday those reporting the event said that absolutely no drinking was involved. Now, it is admitted that Cheney had a beer with lunch. Of course now its a little late to try to determine if drinking had any part in the accident.

    At least now we know why George and Dick never go hunting together.
     
  10. Dave

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    Actually it is a case of the major newspapers and CBS,NBC,ABC, and CNN being jealous because they were not called first. The networks and large papers wonder why people don't like the news medias. This is the reason. Then you have of all people. Terry McCauliffe running his mouth and saying, oh they didn't tell me. Yea right. This guys needs to get a life. I for one am glad that the Vice President choose to let the ranch owner do the notifying and for doing the interview on Fox News Channel. Of course the Los Angeles Times or New York Times are not happy about it. But they need to get over it to. Yes it should have been the Corpus Christie Times that got the story first. This is not about being a Democrat or Republican, it is about news organizations being jealous of not getting the story first. I guess every time any of you make a mistake, the first thing you do is call everyone in town and Washington and let them know. Yea Right, thats what I thought. If you are really worried about all the politicians in the world not telling you what and when they do something, well what more needs to be said.
     
  11. jonstad

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    Right! Now it's the media's fault! Well, at least that leaves Wittington off the hook!:rolleyes:
     
  12. tomcrown1

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    Wittington is on the hook he did to dick, what should not have been done. Like comming up in front of him. Then putting his face were it did not belong. You can not take Dick at his name, if you do Dick will get you.
     
  13. billpa

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    HOLD ON!
    You didn't let anyone answer between your supposition and the "Yea Right, thats what I thought."

    Of course if I shot a 78 year old man I wouldn't run to the press, but we're talking about the Vice President of the United States....Don't you see any difference there?
     
  14. Dave

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    He is still a citizen of the USA. It doesn't matter if he is running the world or what he does. The press just got down right jealous because they didn't get the story on the national services first. So how many will accept it now that he has done an interview on FOX news and move on., The story is done. Whether anybody likes it or not FOX got the interview. What is really bad it that some seem to forget that in 2008 there is a presidential election coming up. Bush and Cheney will not and cannot run again. Instead of complaining the Dem's and liberals need to move on and start looking for a viable candidate to run. Why is it that the Dem's like to live in the past? Maybe this is why they have such a hard time picking a candidate to run that could win the next election. Instead you have Al Gore and other Dem's living in the past and saying, I WAS CHEATED IN 2000. The past is over with. It is time to move on and look toward the future period. The press are the ones trying to keep this story alive. The general public says move on to some noteworthy news. Like Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan or Europe. How about if the Dem's decided to fix Social Security, or the energy crisis? No they would rather listen to the news reporters gripe about not being the first to break a story.
     
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    Good point. I guess it was the Democrats who've been yelling "Chappaquiddick, Chappaquiddick!" since the Cheney incident.
     
  16. Tom in TX

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    Does anyone know where the requirement is to notify the press quicker than was done? Do they need to be notified within one hour, or 6, or 12 or 24....
    If this is some law that I don't know about, please enlighten me. If not, I guess that means it's up to the Administration to notify who they want, when they want!

    It must be a slow news week. The press is whining about how long it took to be notified, and then they don't like that the Corpus Christi Caller-Times was the outlet notified. Is there a requirement to notify the NY Times, or ABC News, or some particular news outlet? Or is it up to the Administration to notify who they want, when they want?

    Were any laws broken by taking longer than the media wished?
    Could it have been handled better? You bet! But let's get a grip and move on to things more important!
    Tom (wing nut) in TX
     
  17. pjmrt

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    On NBC last night, you should have heard the reporters swooning over how Bush had stopped everything and announced to them he had accidently shot an endangered bird during his hunting accident a while back. They were just so in love with the way he treated them to the story. It was almost sickening. But Bush got elected President, and the best Cheney could manage is appointed (sort-of elected) VP. So I guess there is a lesson there. A sad, somewhat sickening lesson, but a lesson non-the-less.
     
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    Sorry guys, couldn't resist.
     

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    Clinton looks like he's thinking about it.
     
  20. Bogy

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    No, this is not about the major media being jealous because they weren't notified first. That is the current spin, but its an attempt to distract, not what its about.

    What it is about is the tactic of letting a day or more go by before the news that THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SHOT A MAN, accidentally or not. In a day when we monitor the every move of Ben and Jennifer, you don't think a shooting where the VP is involved is news? If I accidentally shoot someone, the Ackley World-Journal will carry it first (if it happens on the right day of the week, and the Waterloo Courier and DeMoines Register MAY carry it as a filler item. YOUR paper won't carry it, because no one will care. It won't be on the nightly news, but I'm not the vice president of the only remaining superpower. All Dick Cheney had to do was call his press secretary for the proper handling, and it would have blown over in a day or two. The press secretary could have done his job, checking facts, sending out a press release, answering questions, but that isn't the way it happened. The VP stonewalled, no one released information, and now people unnecessarily wonder, if they try to hide this, if it IS just an accident, what else is the guy hiding? What do we REALLY need to know that he won't tell us? It is just another instance of the lack of communication skills this administration has evidenced ever since taking office.
     
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