yeah.. the "local" Panny/ Pioneer guy is desperately unrelieable. ( a few years I took a pioneer receiver to the place to see if he could make the radio receiver part work. He pulled it apart and said to me.. I don't understand, where are the speakers..? ) that's when I knew the local factory panny/Pioneer guy was totally and completely out of the rhelm of radios that occurred after 1961.. I think he was looking for tubes..