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Was able to watch a deleted recording...

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Jason Whiddon, Nov 20, 2010.

  1. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    I hear you...

    But again...think through what it would take to retain say...the last 10 deletes on your HD DVR hard disk....oh wait....you have 2TB drives so I guess that's not an issue for you....my mistake. :D:lol:
     
  2. Richierich

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    Well, then put it in the Trash Can and let me know that I can go into the Trash Can and Retrieve it if I want because it is Not Physically Deleted at that point but just removed from the Directory.
     
  3. hdtvfan0001

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    That's my point....it would use up hard disk space even though just the index pointer removed in the directory, so that it could be recovered later. Of course those with 14 TB of storage will not worry about this... :D

    Having the ability to recover a deleted file is not something I personally see any value, but I can also understand how some folks might like it. It does come, however, with a price in terms of using hard disk space...
     
  4. RACJ2

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    I use - - to delete my recordings and there is no warning. So if I delete it by mistake, its my fault for using the shortcut.

    With the quirky response of the HR22, I have actually deleted the wrong program. Like when it jumps 2 lines, with one press of the down arrow key. And then quickly pressing -- without double checking.
     
  5. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    Good point - the good old "--" is a potential deadly keystroke... ;)
     
  6. Scott Kocourek

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    I accidentally deleted an entire folder due to the highlighted program not landing where expected due to the "--". Never used it again.

    I deleted the last show in a folder and expected the next show to be highlighted to be in the same folder and it landed on the folder below. Good thing it wasn't one of the shows my wife likes.
     
  7. Scott Kocourek

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    You could put me on the list of folks that would like an "undelete".
     
  8. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    Ouch....

    Double Ouch.... :eek2:

    I'm slowly becoming a convert.
     
  9. Steve

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    If a recycle bin were implemented, just like in Windows, I'm pretty sure those "deleted" recordings would be the first recordings to go if the DVR needed more space for a new recording.
     
  10. inkahauts

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    My mom "accidentally" erases shows my dad hasn't seen yet sometimes, and I get the phone call, can I get it back for him every so often...

    I don't see any real negative from providing a recently deleted bin...
     
  11. hdtvfan0001

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    Nothing negative for sure....as long as folks realize it would likely require reserving some extra storage space to retain the content on their hard drive...RACJ2 and scottandregan have almost converted me.....your post adds further proof it makes sense....thanks guys for setting me straight. :D
     
  12. bobcamp1

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    This is how Tivo implements it. The recycle bin is auto-cleaning, starting with the oldest programs first. There is no additional hard drive space needed.
     
  13. hdtvfan0001

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    Actually that's partially true...as it is stored on the hard disk for recovery and uses space, but relinquished/over-written only if needed, as Steve stated earlier. That would seem to impact only those users approaching their HD capacity levels with some regularity...which is not most people I suspect. No harm no foul for the rest.

    That prompts the obvious question - is this a proprietary patented method TiVo has, or could it be replicated?
     
  14. Darcaine

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    Typically when things are deleted on a HDD, they aren't actually physically removed from the HDD unless you format it. The data is still there, until the OS needs that space, and overwrites the data, the deleted data has just become hidden from the OS. This is how data recovery software works.

    Moving programs to a delete folder would be the same as outright deleting them, it's still taking up the same amount of space, it's just now the OS still recognizes that they are there, instead of the data being hidden from the OS/user.

    From Wikipedia
    "In a third scenario, files have been "deleted" from a storage medium. Typically, deleted files are not erased immediately; instead, references to them in the directory structure are removed, and the space they occupy is made available for later overwriting."
     
  15. hdtvfan0001

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    Exactly.
     
  16. bobcamp1

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    Huh? Users approaching HD capacity levels will hardly have anything in the recycle bin. It most likely will be empty. Some people never have anything in there because their hard drive is always full.

    I don't think it's proprietary. Even if it were, the D* - Tivo IPR deal means D* could implement it without getting sued.

    A few people hate this feature. All of them are either control freaks, just don't get it, or are watching things they don't want other people to know about. In which case you can go to the "recently deleted folder" and permanently delete it.
     
  17. hdtvfan0001

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    Auto delete, of course, is available as a configuration setting....which deletes things without manual intervention if chosen.

    In any case...I can see how some folks want it and others have no use for it.
     
  18. Steve

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    Ya. Let's say you only had 90 minutes of space left on your drive, a 60 minute show in your recycle bin and you now want to record a 120 minute show. The minute the new show starts recording, the show in the recycle bin should go "poof".
     
  19. P Smith

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    It so obvious ... Or you have magic alternative ? ;) Like HDD made from rubber ? :D:D
     
  20. Steve

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    :lol: ... no magic alternative!

    I just thought it couldn't hurt to provide an example, because earlier posts indicate some think a recycle bin reduces overall storage capacity.
     

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