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We may lose a city of 26,000 - Paradise, CA on fire

Discussion in 'The OT' started by phrelin, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. Nov 8, 2018 #1 of 18
    phrelin

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    Per the Chico Enterprise Record:

    “It’s bad,” said Butte County Sheriff Kory Honea. “We’re trying to get as many people out as quickly as possible and save as many lives as we can.”

    The fire started about 6:30 a.m. today at Camp Creek Road near Pulga and swept west toward Paradise. It is at 5,000 acres with 0 percent containment, Cal Fire public information officer Rick Carhart said. Firefighters are expecting sustained winds up to 30-35 mph on the fire.

    The fire was reported burning in town on the Skyway, as well as Pentz Road and Bille Road. Information was sparse, but witnesses and reporters on the ground described a chaotic scene as people tried to leave town. Structures were reported burning and, according to scanner traffic, two burn victims were flown to Chico. A pregnant woman stuck in traffic went into labor.

    After staged evacuations started in the fire area near the West Branch Feather River canyon early in the morning, Honea said at 11 a.m. that the entire town was under an evacuation order...​

    From monitoring Twitter and Facebook, it is sad. You see a tweets like this:

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    Though we're 80+ miles away from the fire as the crow flies, Mendocino County to the coast and beyond is deep in smoke. Our Sheriff had to put out a notice assuring people that is wasn't from a fire here. We do have a wildfire going in the northeast forest part of the county along the Eel River and resources are limited as CalFire tries to save Paradise.
     
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  2. Nov 8, 2018 #2 of 18
    phrelin

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    Update per California wildfire spreads to 18,000 acres:

    Law enforcement has reported that some residents and sheriff’s deputies are trapped inside the perimeter of the conflagration.

    With thousands trying to leave at the same time, evacuations have become “difficult, to say the least,” said Lt. Al Smith, of the Butte County Sheriff’s Office. Several sheriff’s deputies who went into the evacuation zones to rescue residents have also become trapped by active flames burning around them.

    I can’t think of an area that’s safe right now,” Smith said.

    The blaze is still burning in multiple parts of Paradise....

    “Multiple” structures have burned, said Scott McLean, a spokesman with the state Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, or Cal Fire. Sheriff’s officials confirmed that several people were being treated for burns.​

    Acting Governor (and Governor-elect) Gavin Newsom just declared a state of emergency. That 18,000 acres is a 7 hour growth.

    in the meantime, fire crews on the fire in NE Mendocino County need aircraft that at this point are "on order" or even being diverted.
     
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    From 8:45 p.m. update: Up to 1,000 homes burn, multiple deaths in Paradise from Camp Fire:

    Cal Fire-Butte County Chief Darren Read said in the afternoon that hundreds of structures in Paradise have burned, perhaps as many as 1,000. Butte County Sheriff Kory Honea said there are reports of multiple fatalities, and authorities are trying to verify how many.

    The fire moved so fast that people were cut off by the flames and sheltered in large asphalt parking areas. Radio traffic Thursday afternoon indicated 300 people were at the Kmart lot on Clark Road, with fire in all directions. Another 100 were at a storage business at Clark and Skyway. Still another group gathered at the Holiday Market parking lot on Skyway.

    Photographer Karl Mondon said at 4 p.m. the Safeway parking lot at Clark and Elliott roads was half full of evacuees. Many said they knew their homes were lost.

    Wayne and Juanita McLish, 20-year residents of Fawndale Lane, said they fought for two hours to save their home until the water pressure ran out, then made it to Safeway. Wayne McLish’s face was covered in soot. The former math teacher looked stunned when he was told it was 4 o’clock in the afternoon, not the morning.

    There has been significant structure loss within Paradise, Carhart said. Radio traffic indicates Paradise Town Hall caught fire about 2:30 p.m.​

    The numbers are, of course, only estimates. And the fire is still burning while wind conditions remain dangerous.
     
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    And 20,000-acre Camp Fire reaches outskirts of Chico; burning near Skyway:

    Mandatory evacuations are underway in east Chico, City Manager Mark Orme told the Chico Enterprise-Record.

    The Camp Fire is threatening 15,000 structures, Cal Fire said Thursday night.

    The Camp Fire has destroyed thousands of structures, Cal Fire Capt. Scott McLean told The Associated Press.

    He added the town of Paradise has been "pretty much" destroyed.

    McLean said Cal Fire won't have an exact count on the number of homes and other buildings that have burned down until they can get into the area.

    An Associated Press photographer in Paradise found businesses and homes leveled or in flames....​

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    Stories coming from the Camp Fire in Paradise continue to be bad such as Camp Fire at 70,000 acres, 5 percent containment. In the meantime from Southern California two wildfires in Ventura County have led to similar evacuation horrors per Large fires threaten Ventura County communities; 101 Freeway closed, more than 1,000 homes evacuated and Woolsey fire jumps 101, closing freeway in Ventura County and forcing evacuations in Malibu, one of which is endangering Thousand Oaks where the shooting took place earlier this week.

    We woke up to an air quality index of [​IMG] because of the Camp Fire but they are now releasing resources from the fire here in Mendocino County.
     
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  6. AntAltMike

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    When is California going to run out of firewood? Has anyone done the arithmetic on that?
     
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    Unfortunately, there is a heck of a lot left that hasn't burned in the last 50 years. In our area, the last large acreage wildfire began September 9, 1950, which burned 20,619 acres. There is no noticeable trace of that fire and we essentially are in a forest.

    And then there's this per Wikipedia:

    In some parts of California, fires can recur in areas with histories of fires. Examples of this are in Oakland, where fires of various size and ignition occurred in 1923, 1931, 1933, 1937, 1946, 1955, 1960, 1961, 1968, 1970, 1980, 1990, 1991, 1995, 2002, and 2008. Other examples being Orange County, Riverside County, San Bernardino County, and Los Angeles County. In the case of Orange and San Bernardino, these two counties share a county border that runs north to south through the Chino Hills State Park, with the park's landscape ranging from large green coastal sage scrub, grassland, and woodland, to areas of brown sparsely dense vegetation made drier by droughts or hot summers. The valley's grass and barren land can become easily susceptible to dry spells and drought, therefore making it a prime spot for brush fires and conflagration, many of which have occurred since 1914. Hills and canyons have seen brush or wildfires in 1914, the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, and into today.​

    Unfortunately, as you can see from the list of decades, running out of "firewood" will not occur at least in the lifetime of anyone alive today. Now by the late 22nd Century, who knows what vegetation will still be around.

    And we certainly won't run out of morons any time soon. This morning our local Fire Department responded to two different "debris" fires within forest areas. Fortunately a CalFire enforcement officer was close and responded to hand out citations. No burn permits have been issued this fall and a "burn ban" in place.

    But because it is unusually cold today I guess some fools thought they could burn a little debris. It's so cold because the smoke layer from the Camp Fire that has burned up Paradise is obscuring the Sun. [​IMG]
     
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    Kind of like, when Einstein was explaining the plausible, unforeseeable outcomes of nuclear fission, the most extreme being that the chain reaction would continue indefinitely, someone asked if it might then be better to build just a small bomb for the first test.
     
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    We can only hope that the Darwin Effect takes hold before those morons and fools can spawn any more idiots.
     
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    Based on many recent news reports the Darwin effect seems to be lessening. The fools seem to be in the ascendency. There are a few hopeful signs as indicated in the "Good News" reported weekly on page 2 of the Saturday New York Times.
     
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    The title of this thread was my worst fear based on early reports. Tonight's headline bears out that fear:

    Camp Fire: 9 deaths, 6,453 homes burned in most destructive wildfire in California history

    Details are:

    As the second day of the conflagration ended Friday, staggering new numbers were released: 6,453 homes, 260 commercial buildings and 90,000 acres burned. The fire is only 5 percent contained.

    An estimated 52,000 people were evacuated but some could not escape the flames. Five people were discovered burned in and outside vehicles in the area of Edgewood Lane, near Pentz Road. The Sheriff’s Office said the victims could not be identified and autopsies would be conducted.​
     
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    Sigh. And tonight:

    Day 3: Death toll climbs to 23 in Camp Fire

    And after explaining the locations where the bodies were found the story says: "Now firefighters are concerned about protecting the city of Oroville."
     
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    This is a horrible sequel to the Redding, CA fires a few months ago not to mention the Santa Rosa fires last year. Paradise, CA is gone. The Sierra Nevada Brewing Company posted the following:
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    Sigh... this is frustrating to those people in Oroville who were evacuated in early 2017 due to the Oroville Dam.
     
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    For anyone who is in the danger zone who thinks it is enough to just clear that 100 feet as CalFire recommends, here is food for thought:



    I've never had any delusions about our situation, but then I've been involved in forest fire suppression since 1962.
     
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    Well, as all the headlines note the death toll from the Camp Fire reached 42 Monday, making it the deadliest wildfire in state history. The number far exceeds the Griffith Park Fire that killed 29 people in Los Angeles back in 1933.

    Glad my dad didn't live to see that number exceeded. He was on the Depression Era work crew in Griffith Park that was pressed into firefighting service but was sent to run an errand. When he came back they were all dead. These last few years here in California would have really bothered him.
     
  17. Mark Holtz

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    As a result of the Camp Fire in Paradise, the air quality since Friday has been extremely bad. This evening, for example (where I live is circled):

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    In case you need a refresher course...
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    I have lived in the Sacramento since 1977. This is the worst ever air quality.
     
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    Last Friday this was our reading...

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    But tonight we're at 83.

    Speaking of numbers:

    More remains found in Paradise area, increasing death toll to 56

    Viewing photos and video has become mind numbing.
     

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