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  1. NashGuy

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    What is slowly happening (but it's picking up speed) is that each company that owns a group of cable channels is launching one or more direct-to-consumer on-demand streaming services that focuses on their own content.

    Disney: Hulu, Disney+, ESPN+
    CBS: CBS All Access, Showtime
    AT&T (WarnerMedia): HBO Max (launching fall 2019)
    Comcast (NBCUniversal): new service launching early 2020
    Discovery: new service launching early 2020 (in partnership with BBC)
    Viacom: purchased Pluto TV (using it to monetize old Viacom content through free ad-supported model), will soon merge with CBS (to get folded into CBS: All Access?)

    Fox sold off almost all their assets, including cable channels like FX and Nat Geo, to Disney. Now they're just Fox, Fox Sports and Fox News. They have no plans to launch their own standalone streaming service, they say (but will likely make their channels available as an add-on bundle to any larger service that will sell them).

    So who does that leave? A+E Networks, AMC Networks, and the Hallmark channels? As we move on from the old TV 2.0 linear channel bundle world to the TV 3.0 direct-to-consumer world, they'll have to find their way, likely as little add-ons distributed inside of the big boys' apps (those above, plus Amazon and Apple). Or they'll just have to transition to becoming content producers that sell and distribute shows through the various consumer-facing services.
     
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  2. Rich

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    Yup and that should influence...who? There's so much on NF it's damn near ridiculous, especially for folks that are just getting started. Imagine having no idea what is available on NF and then finding out. I was overwhelmed when it finally dawned on me. Once I figured out what was really available I lost interest in "normal" programming. A few years ago I had almost everything on network TV programmed on my 12 HRs, now I have nothing but sports and the Hallmark channel on the DVRs. Add in the big streamers like AP and Hulu and there's more than folks realize at your fingertips. But, YMMV.

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  3. slice1900

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    ESPN+ carries all the stuff with too small an audience to deserve a slot on one of ESPN's real channels. If you're a fan of the NFL, or college football, or MLB, or etc. etc. ESPN+ is useless.
     
  4. SledgeHammer

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    The DirecTV Now Plus package for $50/mo also includes only about 40 channels. I would say about 99% of which I don't even watch. The $70 package doesn't include them either. Where's History, DIY, Discovery, Science, etc?

    Yeah, I can see why DirecTV Now is such an awesome success!! Actually, most people consider it an epic disaster. Subs are falling off a cliff. I wouldn't expect it to be around much longer tbh.

    Why would I pay $50/mo for that garbage package when I pay $50/mo (actually, it might be $55, I have to wait for the bill to stabilize, but it won't be much more then that) for a HR54 + Preferred Xtra that has 200+ channels, including the ones I actually watch, and no RSN fee? Plus, I don't have to worry about going over my data cap, don't have to worry about buffering, being able to FF and RW at will, being able to skip ads.

    Re: the data cap... I have Cox Gigabit as an early adopter and it has a 1TB cap. I got kind of screwed on that. Now they are offering it for less then I'm paying with no data caps. I was able to get them to throw in the no data cap for free, but I think that's good for 1 yr.

    If I went full streaming, I doubt a 1TB cap would be very useful.
     
  5. SledgeHammer

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    Has anyone posted a beta review or early hands on? Can't say I've seen one... it's possible I missed it. I'd look at how the LCC is rolling out to see DirecTVs history of sticking to a schedule. Although, I'll grant you the IPTV is more important to them then the LCC lol.
     
  6. SledgeHammer

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    Hey!!! Some people happen to enjoy Portuguese midget lesbian golf!!! :D
     
  7. SledgeHammer

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    I just don't see a bunch of isolated streaming services working as a model. The cost will add up and theres lot of hassle involved juggling apps. But hey, it's working for me so far :D. DirecTV is desperate to keep people, so they offer folks like me steep discounts to stay and I get 200 channels for the same money streamers get 40 channels for. Plus its all in a unified interface. Thanks :D.
     
  8. NashGuy

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    Enjoy those steeps discounts while you can. (I thought it sounded odd that you were getting the package you mentioned for such a low price.) AT&T has clearly signaled multiple times in recent months that they're looking to shed low-ARPU customers that they can only retain through the use of repeated discounts. I suspect that they needed to keep as many subs on board as possible until they got that latest round of carriage contracts done and were able to launch their shiny new streaming thing, AT&T TV. Let's see what tune you're singing about DTV satellite this time next year.
     
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    Actually, in Feb/March time frame, I think it was, some of my promos fell off, they were being super stingy (the whole get rid of leeches like me attitude :D). At that time, I had to call in 5 times and threatened to cancel on the last call before they finally put them back on.

    In the April/May time frame, another promo fell off and I wasn't going to do the 5 calls again, I was ready to go to Cox or TMobile, but after the dismal 1st quarter ER, they did a 180 with their attitudes. First call, no arguing or debate, didn't have to pull out my quotes from other providers, just said, hey this bill is too high and its out of wack with other providers and she gave me one of my biggest discounts ever. More then I was going for actually. So I decided to swing for the fences and said that price is great, but I need you to also comp me a HR54 (I don't have PP), this POS HR24 takes 30 seconds to respond to a button press... and she was like no problem. All I had to pay for was the $20 s&h.

    Speaking of singing tunes :D, just to point out the obvious, Netflix recently jacked up prices 14% and AP recently jacked up prices 10%. I don't really follow Hulu or YouTube, etc. but you're going to be singing a different tune when you see how fast streaming prices rise :D. Hardware to support all the customers costs a lot, as does the bandwidth, so they're going to be passing on those costs to you.

    Netflix can't really risk raising prices too fast now without all the licensed content, but Disney+? By 2024? I'd expect it to cost more then Netflix. NF usually raises $2 or so every 2 years, so that'd put them around $20 by 2024. I'd expect Disney+ to be AT LEAST $20 by then. If that happens, that's more then triple the infancy intro price.
     
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  10. slice1900

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    When has Directv ever given a date for the release of the LCC? You can't claim it as an example for not sticking to a schedule when they never gave a schedule for it.
     
  11. NashGuy

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    Yeah, I'm sure that streaming prices will increase but I'm skeptical that the average overall increases will be any worse than what we've seen on the traditional cable bundle. (As for myself personally, I could care less what Disney+ charges because I doubt I'll ever subscribe but I would agree that they are intentionally coming into the market at an aggressive price point leaving them room to increase going forward. OTOH, I'd also point out that it's not going to be a service offering up a ton of fresh new content every month like the other DTC streamers. Disney+ will basically be a beloved library plus a modest stream of new stuff.)

    And to provide a counter-example with regard to increasing streaming prices: Hulu decreased their standard price by 25% recently, from $8 to $6 per month. Just for fun, I looked up what $6 in today's money was worth in 1985 dollars, when I was a kid getting "expanded basic" cable TV with probably twenty-something channels (including MTV, which I loved). Only $2.52! What sort of cable TV package could you have gotten in 1985 for only $2.52 with the variety, amount and quality of content available to watch at any time that Hulu's base package offers today? It's an incredible value. (Sure, there are ads on everything except movies and kids' shows, but the ad load is significantly less than what broadcast and cable TV had, even back in the '80s.)
     
  12. SledgeHammer

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    Like you, I won't be subscribing to Disney+ and I'm honestly still skeptical that it'll pan out like people think. Disney Proper tried to be a premium service in the 80's and that flopped and I still don't believe there exists a casual Disney / Star Wars / Marvel fan. They are all diehards. I can't imagine that they don't have all the movies they like on DVD, BluRay, UHD, etc. If they do, why subscribe to the service? Plus, like you said, they aren't going to drop new content like Netflix. Otoh, a lot of what Netflix drops is junk.
     
  13. slice1900

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    Do you know ANY millennials who own physical media? They don't own CDs, they don't own DVDs/BluRay. Many (if not most) of the diehard Marvel fans are millennials, they are perfect candidates for Disney+.

    I think Disney+ will also be indispensable for parents and grandparents who have their grandchildren over regularly.

    Now for Star Wars maybe I'd agree, because millennials just don't care about Star Wars the way my (Gen X) generation does, and we grew up with physical media so it isn't weird to us (though FWIW I haven't bought a DVD or CD for over 15 years, and don't own a BluRay player...)
     
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  14. SledgeHammer

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    There are 2 guys here who have huge physical collections. One of them is in his 30's/40's and the other in his 40's/50's. Yup, small sample set lol.

    Music, I think most people of every age group have moved to MP3s or some form of that. If you are talking about 20 yr olds, then they usually have small 16:9 TVs set on stretch mode or just watch TV on their tiny phones.

    The ones that want the best PQ available for their favorite movies are going to get UHD discs. Streaming at 15Mbps hardly compares to 108Mbps.
     
  15. dreadlk

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    Never say never! If they keep losing suscribers on these platforms at the current rate, something will have to change. I think most people’s reasons for leaving the big boys for streaming is the basic price and then the need to add another $100 worth of extra channels just to get ten that are of any use.
     
  16. James Long

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    I am not a millennial. But about 10-15 years ago I stopped buying physical media. After a while it just takes up space and there is too much on the DVR to bother pulling out physical content, placing it in a physical player and figuring out how to make that show up on the TV. (Not impossible, but it sure is a lot easier to pick up the one true remote and watch whatever is delivered by my one true provider.)

    In the past decade I have bought a couple of blu-rays. A blu-ray player so I can watch those two movies. And my wife bought me a third movie. We have bought physical media (CDs/DVDs) for family members who do not have cable/satellite/internet streaming. Yes - those people still exist.

    My extended family cannot be put in a box. I have an older sister who will stream anything and nephews and nieces who want physical media. One brother inlaw family does not own a TV. Another sister inlaw family has TV but doesn't own a DVR. My father inlaw has Xfinity and it has taken more than a year for him to get used to talking to his TV. Fortunately he doens't watch enough TV for it to matter. He would be a good candidate for a streaming package that would deliver just the channels he cares about (no sports interest) - but the interface needs to be channel based.

    Getting content to subscribers in a way that they can find it is important. Probably more important than having the content available. If you don't know the content exists you're not going to watch it and eventually you'll look at the bill and not know the value of what you are paying for. But a good UI will present the content in a way that makes even the most expensive programming package look like a bargain.
     
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  17. SledgeHammer

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    My parents still get physical discs from NF still. They've been talking about getting on streaming for years. Once they upgrade their awesome N router I mean lol and get a smart TV.

    My sisters family isn't high end, they don't do streaming either, just have some obscure foreign discs for the kids.

    I have DirecTV and mostly just download stuff. If there was a streaming service that had the content, I'd probably do that, but there just isn't. AP has mostly classic TV shows. I did rewatch Burn Notice when I had a trial a few months ago and then couldn't find much else. NF trial I had a few months ago, I'd say I watched maybe 5 movies in the month? That's all I could find. I do watch (and occasionally enjoy) off the beaten path movies, but the majority of those 5 were older classics. For a movie I really want to see and where I want the best PQ possible, I'll get a UHD disc for the Oppo 203. They're $5 after a few months on eBay.

    If you're after Friends, Seinfeld, That 70's Show, etc. Why sub to a service? They're shown on DirecTV like 30 times a day lol.

    Then I have 2 co-workers who are massive media collectors. Both probably have at least 300 discs and always upgrade their movies to the latest formats. One of them gets a few UHD discs delivered every week from Best Buy. Don't even know why he buys them, he just buys every new release for some reason. The other guy is pickier, but he has all his discs cataloged, etc.
     

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