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Well now ("C71KW-400" Client)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by compnurd, Oct 24, 2017.

  1. WestDC

    WestDC Well-Known Member

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    HS17 is the reason - All Older remotes and Current Receivers are DONE - going forward the "Home SERVER" will be king -eveything you have now will no longer be supported so get ready to feel the pain or embrace the world
     
  2. slice1900

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    OK, if it works as shown in the manual - having the Android TV branding and asking for a Google login - then it will be running full Android TV. That manual includes codenames like 'Osprey' and has minimal instructions so it is obviously very pre-release and doesn't necessarily reflect what the end product will be.

    If they were building something on the AOSP base without the proprietary Android TV stuff (good comparison of what's included and not included: Android TV VS Android Open Source Platform (AOSP)) their software wouldn't be ready right away so the initial testing of the hardware would have to use full Android TV.

    Maybe you're right, but the ONLY reference to it using Android TV is in that prerelease manual, which can't be taken as gospel.
     
  3. compnurd

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    According to the manual for this device. You sign into your google account
     
  4. CraigerM

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    I wonder if the HS-27 will have Android TV built in? Imagine if you have a Sony Android TV and the HS-27 will stream to that with WIFI and Ethernet? I also wonder if the Android will run both DTV and DTV NOW? Also if they have Android TV on both the wired and wireless clients then that way you could get the latest Android TV box. Maybe that could be why the manual just says DTV/OTT and not DTV/DTV NOW/OTT? Also it looked to me in that Android TV screen shot it showed the Google Play Store.
     
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  5. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Wouldn't new three WVB2-700 models related to the new line of STB ? redH begin listed it
     
  6. slice1900

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    Directv has used 'WVB' names for wireless video bridge - the new ones may be able to update their firmware. So I doubt these are receivers.
     
  7. slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

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    What would be the point of running Android TV on the server if the clients were running it?
     
  8. NashGuy

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    I agree that the prerelease manual should be taken with a grain of salt, although it would be weird for AT&T to specifically include all of that stuff -- "Android TV," "Sign in to your Google account," an actual screenshot of the Android TV 6.0 home screen, etc. -- if they had no intention of actually using Google's Android TV as the OS. (Why intentionally mislead the FCC? Is that even legal?) And the manual isn't the only reference to Android TV -- there's been chatter from various media and online sources for months that AT&T had been cooking up their own box running Android TV.

    At any rate, come spring 2018, we should have a clearer picture not only of what exactly the C71 is, but also of AT&T's broader plans for TV services and the DirecTV brand.
     
  9. NashGuy

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    I suspect you're right. Currently, DirecTV satellite offers a traditional set-up with the HR-44 and HR-54 Genies, as well as the newer server + client set-up with the HS17 server and C61 Genie Mini. My guess is that the next generation of hardware will be server + client only, i.e. HS27 and C71. Regardless of the branding/marketing specifics involved (including channel packages, pricing, etc.), it seems very plausible to me that the C71 will be available to subscribers who get AT&T video service by either satellite or OTT streaming. In the former case, the C71 would have to be paired with the HS27 server, which contains the satellite tuners and DVR hard drive. In the latter case, each C71 could stand alone, connecting via internet to the AT&T video cloud serving up all live, recorded and on-demand TV. There appear to be different versions of the C71, which may correspond to whether that model is intended for use with a satellite or OTT source.

    That's speculation, of course. Maybe the C71 will only be for satellite customers, despite the fact that there's been lots of talk, including from AT&T's own CEO, about having a dedicated thin-client STB for use with OTT streaming. OTOH, maybe the C71 will only be for OTT streaming customers, although if that's the case, it's a little odd that the manual submitted to the FCC for the C71 mentions that it can work in conjunction with the future HS27. And clearly, C71 and HS27 are model numbers consistent with the next generation of DirecTV satellite hardware for the Genie Mini and home server.
     
  10. slice1900

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    The FCC doesn't care about what OS it is running, they don't even have to include a manual or details like that. All they care about is that it doesn't radiate RF outside of the permitted bands.

    The manual could have been what was distributed with prerelease hardware to early testers. If they were planning on using an AOSP build of Android TV for the real product that software wouldn't be ready at this early stage. So the prerelease models would be forced to use the full version.

    I haven't heard any chatter other than what came about after this thing appeared on the FCC site - everyone saw the Android TV stuff in the manual and that's what the headline said. Do you have any links that predate its appearance on the FCC site claiming AT&T would be developing a product using Android TV?
     
  11. NashGuy

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    Yeah, I remember seeing a report over on the Android TV Reddit about six months ago that AT&T was going to use a Technicolor-sourced STB running Android TV, customized for DTV Now. I think there was other reports floating around on the web too about this.

     
  12. slice1900

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    Interesting. That sounds more like a branded device to give away instead of the giveaways of Apple TV and Roku they've been doing to help sell Directv Now. Makes sense they would prefer to give away an AT&T branded device instead of an Apple or Roku branded device.

    Different code name (Indigo) than the Osprey this manual refers to though, so not necessarily the same thing as this, though I suppose code names can change throughout a project, or they could have one variation designed for Directv Now and cousin designed to be also be capable of acting as a Directv client.
     
  13. P Smith

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    or it's targeting internal WVB of HS17 ...
     
  14. NashGuy

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    Yeah, I don't think the Indigo box is the same hardware as Osprey. But it does indicate that AT&T has been thinking of using Google Android TV for awhile now. Perhaps both Indigo and Opsrey will get released next year for different purposes (Indigo for DTVN and Osprey for DTV) or maybe after first planning to release Indigo, they switched gears and decided to go with Osprey as their sole Android TV box.

    At any rate, there's credible evidence to believe that AT&T will join the many other pay TV providers around the world using Android TV. Here's a site that lists all the devices running it, including STBs from pay TV providers:
    Android TV
     
  15. slice1900

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    Interesting, that site you linked attributes the C71KW to Directv, and a UIW4010TCH manufactured by Technicolor as being for Directv Now.

    Almost all of these are in other countries. If the C71KW is used for Directv and runs full Android TV, they'll be the only provider in the US to use it for their cable/satellite offering.
     
  16. CraigerM

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    What if DTV is doing something like this with this box and that is why it doesn't say DTV NOW in the manual?

    Comcast's Xfinity app will be available on Sony smart TVs in 2018
     
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  17. slice1900

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    Directv isn't going to make people get a special client just to support an app. That's the whole reason they built GenieGo functionality into the Genie and dropped the GenieGo product.
     
  18. NashGuy

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    Well, DISH has Android TV-powered STBs for use in hotel rooms. And they sell their Air TV box, running a customized Android TV UI for combining their Sling TV OTT service with local OTA TV. But I'm not aware of any US pay TV provider currently using Android TV in their regular in-home STBs.
     
  19. slice1900

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    Was curious what you meant by "customized Android TV UI" so I checked out a review. This is sort of along the lines I was thinking - sounds like it puts the Sling TV UI front and center and makes the rest of the apps take a back seat and the play store "difficult to get to".

    Depending on how much freedom Google extends to them to make the play store "difficult to get to" they can make it easy to use their favored apps, but still let people download other stuff if they really want to. So maybe they can work with Android TV rather than AOSP. Making it go to a Directv UI as the home page would mean no one would want to try to use this device as a generic Android TV set top because you'd always have to go through that to get to any other app.
     
  20. NashGuy

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    Right. Well, it's not that hard to get to other apps. But the standard Android TV UI, with its rows of app tiles, isn't typically the default home screen on boxes that are customized for pay TV partners. As I posted somewhere earlier, I'm sure that the C71 will boot up/wake up within the DirecTV UI. Essentially, the DirecTV "app" will be the home screen. But it won't appear to the user as a discrete app since you never click a little app tile to enter it, as you typically do with apps on a Roku, Apple TV, etc. You'll be able to click a menu in the DirecTV UI -- "Apps & Games" or some such -- and then go to the regular Android TV UI where you have the Google Play Store, Netflix, YouTube, etc. Or maybe if you just scroll all the way down on any DirecTV screen, underneath that is the regular Android TV stuff. And the remote will have a voice search button too, which will invoke Google Assistant; the results of that search could take the user to an app outside of DirecTV.

    Arris is one of the manufacturers of Android TV STBs for use by pay TV providers. Go to this video and start watching at 1:00 for a demo:
     

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