Well now ("C71KW-400" Client)

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  1. Dec 10, 2017 #81 of 237
    James Long

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    That is a good point. Google's home screen can easily be hidden or replaced. The phones and devices where I work have such restrictions set (Androids and iPhones).
     
  2. Dec 11, 2017 #82 of 237
    CraigerM

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    Sky Q is doing something similar to what AT&T announced in 2018. They have SatelliteTV and Sky NOW their Internet streaming service. In this article it says their latest Sky Q box will run their full TV service and not SKY NOW. This got me thinking what if the HS-27 will run the full version of DTV over SatelliteTV and the Internet and this is why the C71KW will only work with the HS-27? Maybe this is also what they meant by a hybrid server?

    Sky to offer television without dish | informitv
     
  3. Dec 12, 2017 #83 of 237
    NashGuy

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    Yeah, I think the big picture road map of where DirecTV is going is similar to what Sky is doing. For both, their legacy service is satellite. Then they launched a lower-cost, skinnier, no-contract OTT "Now" service. Then they're moving to offer a streaming version of their full-blown service too, so that it can be accessed either by satellite or by internet.
     
  4. Dec 12, 2017 #84 of 237
    CraigerM

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    Do you think the HS-27 will run both the full version of DTV over SatelliteTV and internet streaming? I forgot to add in that article it said their latest Sky Q will run their full Sky Q service over SatelliteTV and the Internet.
     
  5. Dec 12, 2017 #85 of 237
    NashGuy

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    No. I think the HS-27 will be satellite-only. Like the current HS-17, it will contain the satellite tuners as well as a hard drive for DVR. The C71 boxes will communicate with the HS-27 for both live and recorded TV.

    Whatever future streaming version(s) of DirecTV appear, it doesn't look like they will rely on a hard drive in the home for DVR. AT&T's CEO has described the future streaming service as having thin clients (something like the C71) that will use cloud DVR. If the C71 is used for a streaming version of DirecTV, it won't need the HS-27 to go with it.
     
  6. Dec 12, 2017 #86 of 237
    JoeTheDragon

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    what about there multi cast IPTV system (it scales better then the non muilt cast one and has more local ad's like cable) With loads of over flows live 24/7 as well stuff like CSN/NBCSN CHI + live 24/7 and few other RSN Plus feeds that live 24/7 with filler on local cable systems.
     
  7. Dec 13, 2017 #87 of 237
    slice1900

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    What you're talking about doesn't exist yet. AT&T has apparently made statements indicating something like that is coming but there are no specifics and we don't know for sure if it will ever even arrive. It would probably make more sense to equip a system like that with cloud DVR as well.
     
  8. Dec 13, 2017 #88 of 237
    CTJon

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    The problem with some of this like cloud DVR - a few weeks ago we lost internet service for a couple of days due to storm outages (some people lost if for over a week) - since we had DTV with dvr we could watch as normal - no on demand but we rarely use that. If we had cloud DRV we wouldn't have had that service for days I like having it all here and under my control . I watch almost nothing live - sports most of the time and news. I would have not been able to record shows as well as watch older ones. Not what I want.
     
  9. Dec 18, 2017 #89 of 237
    CraigerM

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  10. Dec 19, 2017 #90 of 237
    slice1900

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    Nobody knows what DFW stands for but it is interesting they include that. The blurb that was posted by west99999 earlier this year from an internal Directv document regarding new OTA modules stated "Note – HS 27/ HS37 support for the OTA Dongle will be supported under the DFW project."

    Since the DFW acronym was unknown when he posted it, I think the skepticism some have for the provenance of that information is shown to be unfounded. I think we can piece together the evidence:

    1) There will be an HS27
    2) The C71KW is designed to work with the HS27
    3) There will be a two tuner ATSC dongle which will connect to the HS27 (and apparently will work with the HR44 & HR54 as well, and one would assume the HS17 also)
    4) There will be a new VRC81 remote that uses Bluetooth instead of 433 MHz like previous Directv compatible RF remotes that works with the C71KW (that RF format change is why the VRC81 was listed as incompatible with older equipment in the C71KW manual - presumably it would work with them in IR mode unless they are changing all the IR codes as well)
     
  11. Dec 19, 2017 #91 of 237
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    5) 2 C71KW exist, the 200 (manufactured by Samsung) and the 400 (by WNC / Wistron NeWeb Corporation).
     
  12. Dec 19, 2017 #92 of 237
    P Smith

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    pictures ?
    what then DFW means ?
    why no FW spooling ?
     
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    P Smith

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    hope they will publish some documents in 6 months after the Grant eg in May'18
     
  15. Dec 19, 2017 #95 of 237
    hancox

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    DFW probably means something with FirmWare, guessing Downloadable or Dynamic or blah blah blah. if it's internet-delivered, it would explain no spooling, too...
     
  16. Dec 19, 2017 #96 of 237
    slice1900

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    Clients have always had "internet delivered" firmware, they get it from the Genie. The C71KW might be able to download it directly without going through the Genie, but it will still have to support going through the Genie for customers who don't have internet or don't choose to connect their Directv to the internet.

    We don't see it spooling yet either because they aren't out in the field at all yet, or all the ones that are are limited to Directv employees or CE people who have internet. They won't need satellite delivery for firmware until they are released.

    There's also a lag time between when something shows up on the FCC site and when it is actually released. There may be a document somewhere in there with a prospective release date - there often is, I haven't gone through them to look though.
     
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  17. Dec 20, 2017 #97 of 237
    NashGuy

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    The user manual for the VRC81 remote control says its for use with "DIRECTV's Android DFW media platform," which I think is just internal AT&T-speak for "our own customized version of Android TV that our next-gen STBs will run on". If you look at the picture of the remote, you'll see that the voice input button has Google's trademark microphone icon on it; clearly, the remote was designed for use with Android TV (which is the only TV system that employs Google voice search or Google Assistant).

    Still seems weird to me that AT&T might deploy these boxes -- which would appear to require an internet connection for critical parts of their functionality -- to all satellite TV customers. Maybe they'll pre-screen customers and only send the C71 to those with in-home internet that they can connect to it, while other customers will continue to get current-gen STBs like the HR54, HS17 and C61.
     
  18. Dec 20, 2017 #98 of 237
    slice1900

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    They've had various functionality that depends on the internet for a decade and sell it to people without an internet connection. If someone says "hey why doesn't this ESPN app on my Genie work?" Directv will tell them they need to connect it to the internet for that to work. They probably have a disclaimer like "certain functionality requires an internet connection" somewhere in the fine print.

    It isn't as if the C71 wouldn't work perfectly well as a client and the VRC81 as a remote if you didn't have an internet connection. You just don't get all the features.
     
  19. Dec 21, 2017 #99 of 237
    NashGuy

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    Yeah, but that's different than shipping a customer a box that, upon startup, requires you to connect to the internet before it can do anything else. That's how Android TV devices work. And the C71 will have a remote with a voice search button that is useless without an internet connection.

    Perhaps Google is allowing AT&T to configure the box so that the user can avoid connecting to wi-fi or ethernet during initial set-up and the UI falls back to a version without apps, without Google search, without YouTube, without the Google Play Store. But I kinda doubt it. That would be a very un-Google thing to do. This is a company that envisions everyone being connected to the internet at all times (for obvious reasons).
     
  20. slice1900

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    I find it hard to believe that if I bought a TV that included Android TV that it would REQUIRE me to connect to Google before I could use it as a TV. If it worked that way I would return it immediately, because there's no way I'd let Google collect information about what I watch.

    If they allow TVs to not be connected to the internet to use them as a TV, why not allow a Directv client to be used as a Directv client without being connected to the internet?
     

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