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"Westworld" [HBO]

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by Delroy E Walleye, Oct 3, 2016.

  1. Rich

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    Oh, good. We're gonna binge on it very soon!

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  2. Stewart Vernon

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    I'm just now starting this... watched the first two episodes, will be watching #3 shortly. Kind of early to figure out just where this is going. They are teasing a lot of different things all at once, which is good if they get to have many years as they hope/plan for on HBO to flesh (so to speak) everything out.
     
  3. the2130

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    Great show. I've watched all 8 episodes. Ratings have been great as well.
     
  4. Huuge Hefner

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    For those that want to binge, HBO is going to run a marathon, I believe on next Sunday, which is the day the season finale airs.

    This may be the best show I have seen in some time, but I detect a quality drop in eps 8 and 9. It has become more of a puzzle box show, and even more confusing than before. I am doubting whether they can execute the finale in a way that will be satisfying.

    But oh, I will still be there. It is still way ahead of most shows.

    Evan's revelation makes me very sad. I just want to reach out and hug her now. I hope there is justice somewhere for her attackers, and I hope she can find peace. She seems like a very nice woman.
     
  5. the2130

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    I read Season 2 isn't likely before 2018.
     
  6. Rich

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    I just got thru with the whole season. I found the first nine episodes pretty hard to watch, my wife gave up during episode 4, seemed like they had no idea where they were going. Episode 10 was very good, I thought. I realize the first few episodes were setting up the rest of the series, but nine episodes? And someone thought Boardwalk Empire was boring? I really struggled with the first nine, almost gave up. I just got thru binging on the Sopranos for the fourth or fifth time, I've never found that boring. Does this show deserve a Best TV Drama Golden Globes award? I don't think so. If some more of the first nine were as good as #10 I'd say awards were deserved.

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  7. Delroy E Walleye

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    Thought it might be fun to bump this thread, now that the second season is out.

    Post #46 has come to pass.

    My journey with this series has become an interesting one (for me, at least).

    Apparently I was one of those that had stopped after the second ep. (and I'm still not sure why).

    At some point (over a year ago) I discovered the 1973 movie was airing on TCM and had the foresight to record it.

    Well, flash forward another year and I saw the second season was starting up so I decided to start recording again, as well as adding back the first two eps that had been deleted as they were re-aired before the season premiere.

    I re-watched the first ep, figured it was worth catching up on and started dumping the rest into my high-speed playback system for later viewing.

    Wouldn'tcha know it, within a short time I spotted the 1st season UHD collector's tin in a discount store, decided I'd rather view it that way and (impulsively) sprung for it. Now I've got a "vested interest."

    I recalled having the movie recorded and made the decision to watch that first before embarking on my UHD WW excursion.

    Suffice to say, I'm glad for that decision. I think the series presumes familiarity with the story, but I hadn't seen the movie in decades, and (surprisingly) found it thoroughly enjoyable. It was fun seeing the "prototypes" of some of the series' characters.

    I think I've a different perspective, now and am liking WW apparently more than before. It's not just having seen the movie, but repeated viewing of the first couple eps.

    (Of course UHD isn't "hurting" it for me, either. When the lighting is just right I'd swear I can see the individual grains of makeup powder on ERW's face!)

    I also had fun re-reading this thread and now looking forward to the rest of season one and (hopefully) season two.
     
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  8. Rich

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    Probably for the same reason that I almost gave up on it...it kinda sucked. All the episodes were confusing and just kinda sucky...then the last episode exploded on me. And explained everything. I was then able to go back, watch the whole thing over again and actually understand what was going on. It's a wonderful series and I hope it's a lot easier to understand this season. I won't watch until I can binge on the whole second season.

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  9. phrelin

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    I like this show, but it is probably because it is about the lack of any ethical and moral debate in the context of corporate created and owned technology.

    In this week's New Yorker magazine there is a timely article How Frightened Should We Be of A.I.? It reviews the full breadth of the AI and robot literature and film as well as the ongoing scientific discussion.

    Oddly, as with so many of these explorations of the subject it doesn't mention Lieutenant Commander Data from "Star Trek: The Next Generation" which puzzle's me as he was in all of the 176 episodes plus later pieces. As noted in the linked Wikipedia entry [show creator] Gene Roddenberry told [actor] Brent Spiner that over the course of the series, Data was to become "more and more like a human until the end of the show, when he would be very close, but still not quite there. That was the idea and that's the way that the writers took it."

    The thing is, Commander Data was a synthetic humanoid life form with artificial intelligence used by humans for their own purposes albeit with humane behavior. But the show did not let us forget that for their own purposes, directly and also indirectly through corporations and governments, humans use other humans.

    The core of the movie "Westworld" from the beginning was about corporate use of humanoid robots equipped with some level of AI for "entertainment purposes", in a manner and for purposes we would not allow humans to be used by corporations at least up through the end of the third quarter of the 20th Century. The fact is that the movie was written in August 1972 in a moral context shaped by WWII and the Holocaust.

    The difference today is that the TV series is aired in a very differently shaped moral context that began evolving in the late 1970's along with technology. What we view as a technological age began simultaneously with a reopening in the late 1970's of the debate over "greed is good" which reached a peak following the release of the 1987 movie Wall Street. While their are books on the immorality of greed, consider reading the article Greed Is Good: A 300-Year History of a Dangerous Idea -"Not long ago, the pursuit of commercial self-interest was largely reviled. How did we come to accept it?"

    So far this season HBO's "Westworld" seems to be exploring conceptually the ideas of trust within family and tribal attachments versus the commitment to less clear concepts of a larger group. But the struggle is going on in AI not designed to deal with it.

    And the show continues to offer the viewer an agonizing struggle to maintain clarity on the idea that a humanoid robot with some AI is creation by humans not by God or nature; and, therefore, we should apply the same ethical and moral rules that apply to an Amazon Echo - Alexa notwithstanding - or an iPhone - Siri notwithstanding. They are all disposable "machines."

    And at least for me who began working with computers in the second quarter of the 20th Century (1951-1975), the show's character Lee Sizemore, who ran the Narrative Department at WestWorld until the revolt, seems like the logical extension into the 21st Century of the struggling engineers described in the non-fiction the Pulitzer Prize winning book The Soul of a New Machine by Tracy Kidder. Those engineers struggled with corporate goals that defined the team's goal is to "put a bag on the side of the Eclipse" – in other words, to turn out an inferior product in order to have it completed more quickly solely to generate instant short-term profits.
     
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  10. Delroy E Walleye

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    Gee, I just realized how much I've missed the discussions in this forum. Thanks, guys.

    A further (and lengthy) note about this series and UHD (since my last post here):

    I'm starting to think much of it is looking more like "upconverted 2K" (which Warner have been accused of with some of their "superhero" movies).

    I was noticing more and more how "filmy" it was looking, and sure enough watching supplemental material finding out it actually was filmed with motion picture cameras. (They wanted the look of an old Western, and they certainly got it.)

    While some scenes seem to benefit from HDR, I've found it also shows up inconsistencies of color differences, lighting, continuity, etc.

    Worst of all for me is focus (an obvious and ongoing problem with film), some of it being crystal-clear and other of it looking smudgy.

    Bottom line I don't think there is a clear benefit of "4K Ultra" here. (Supposedly there's an Atmos sound track, if that's worth anything.)

    While the above will not further detract me from the otherwise immersive experience, I don't think others would be missing all that much with their 1080p "streamers" while putting up with a little "haloing."
     

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