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Whacked Weather in June, 2013

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Mark Holtz, Jun 28, 2013.

  1. phrelin

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    While I'm not planning any visits to Death Valley this Summer (or any Summer), regarding recorded temperatures in Death Valley for the past 100 years, Wikipedia notes (emphasis added):

    Note the two 1913 records. This is the problem with 100 years of record keeping.

    While rapid climate change is occurring, IMHO we really don't have the 1,000,000 years of data kept by electronic devices we need to create a "proof" satisfactory to me in any "scientific" analysis. There are some fairly well supported working hypotheses that make me a believer about human activities releasing carbon dioxide and methane speeding along a trend which might or might not have occurred if dinosaurs (the dominant terrestrial vertebrates for 135 million years) ruled the Earth for the past 10,000,000 years. The human use of fire appears to have begun about 1,000,000 years ago per Wikipedia.

    All of this is a matter of perspective. The Roman Empire lasted about 500 years or (800 years depending on whether you think the Republic's first expansion period counts). The British Empire lasted less than 400 years. If you accept the beginning of the American Empire with the Mexican-American War, climate change may limit us to 200± years of cultural and technological domination.

    Or perhaps Yellowstone will explode next week. As National Geographic researchers have noted:

    "The ensuing volcanic winter may have contributed to a period of global cooling that reduced the entire human population to a few thousand individuals—a close shave for the human race."

    Just think, Earth's creatures could have avoided this particular current accelerated climate change crisis altogether.

    Of course, if you're a Russian scientist you may not be thinking of this as a crisis at all.
     
  2. Mark Holtz

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  3. AntAltMike

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    I just checked the extended weather forecast for my sister down in Charleston, South Carilina and her Weather Channel forecast predicts ten successive days with peak temperatures of 87 degrees or less. I have to woncer if that is a record for successive sub 90 degree July days for them.
     
  4. wilbur_the_goose

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    There is definitely climate change.

    As an example, bermuda grass is now relatively common on Philadelphia-area golf courses. Bermuda is a warm-weather grass that once wasn't seen north of Washington DC. It's moving northward.

    It's been so hot down in the SE USA that they're killing off their bent-grass greens and replacing with new bermuda grasses.

    I'm not sure about this one, but it really surprised me. I was golfing in Mullen, Nebraska last week and it turns out that cactus has started growing there. I was pretty surprised to see it myself, but there it was.

    Lastly, ask anybody up here in the Philly-Boston corridor. A storm like Sandy hasn't ever been seen before (at least going back to the 1700's). A hybrid hurricane/nor-easter". The barometric pressure at my home as the "eye" passed was 28.18" of mercury. The previous low in Pennsylvania was about 28.7". Storms are getting stronger and more damaging.
     
  5. Laxguy

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    I don't think you're saying the sky is falling, but a few decades do not confirm a trend.

    Besides, greenskeepers are getting lazier.....
     
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  6. SayWhat?

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    More likely the grass is adapting to the area and spreading naturally.

    Like Kudzu.
     
  7. dpeters11

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    And we can't say that because one city is cooler, that proves there is no global warming. Global means just that, the overall average for the entire earth.

    Personally, I think it would be a good start to reduce pollution worldwide, but I know that not everyone even in the US agrees with that, I know people that don't like the laws and controls we have for air and waterways now.
     
  8. Laxguy

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    I am more concerned about the disappearance of trees and grassland, primarily in South America and Africa. But, yes, let's reduce our mess, our emissions, our waste.
     
  9. dpeters11

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    Definitely agree, the deforestation of the rain forest is a major issue. I've had to walk away from what would become arguments with people that feel factories and mines should not be burdened by environmental regulations. But then I've also done the same with some that go extreme environmentalism so it generally equals out.
     
  10. AntAltMike

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    Unfortunately, generation of energy in a manner that pollutes is economically efficient, and there are a couple billion people in Chna and India who are a lot poorer than we are who can choose between either making severe economic sacrifices to make incremental contributions to greenhouse emmissions which might slightly mitigate the current global warming trend, which in turn might temporarily postpone some adverse economic effects, or they can continue to generate energy in a manner that enriches themselves by trillions of dollars over the next few decades and enjoy all the benefits of that increased wealth.

    The decision to pollute or not polute is a no-brainer for India and China. I once saw some projections on the effects of the Kyoto Treaty on long run emmissions, and if the world made all the sacrifices it calls for, then we would expect the level of greenhouse gas projected at current emmission rates for the year 2100 to not be reached until about 2110. No matter how much one can justify adjusting that projection, billions of people are not going to accept consignment to poverty over the upcoming decades to contribute to the postponement of whatever adverse environmental eventuality the world may or may not incur.
     
  11. djlong

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    China is spending WAY more than we are on renewables like solar. Why do you think Solyndra went bust? Chinese manufacturers have depressed the price of solar panels thanks to Chinese government *grants* - as opposed to the *loans* that our companies got from our government.
     

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