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What are your thoughts on Dual Live Buffers?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Feb 1, 2008.

What are your thoughts on Dual Live Buffers?

  1. DLB's are not an important feature to me, based on my use of the HR2x.

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  2. I might use DLB's if implemented, but I can live without them.

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  3. I would prefer DLB's as implemented on the HR10, but the current work-around is OK.

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  4. I want DLB's as implemented on the HR10. The current work-around is inadequate.

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  5. Until DLB's are added, I will not get a DVR+ unit.

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  1. Doug Brott

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    OK .. I didn't
     
  2. Doug Brott

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    This is such an interesting phrase? :)
     
  3. jjohns

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    I wonder if the new Tivo-D* receiver will have DLB's?
     
  4. Doug Brott

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    I don't see why it wouldn't .. But that's still more than a year away ..
     
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  6. jjohns

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    Great!
     
  7. GrumpyBear

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    It is a Feature. Some can say its an unavailable. Some will argue, that its a MISSING FEATURE.
    You can't just say its not a Feature, when it was available once, and is available NOW, on most of the Competition, with more and more Competition adding the feature.
     
  8. Stuart Sweet

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    This strikes me as pure semantics. Here's what I'd like to see:

    With due respect, I would like to see posts on this topic that are neither simple rehashes of previously held positions nor semantic distractions.

    I think that somewhere under all of this there is a valid point: DIRECTV DVR users would like the functionality they once enjoyed with previous, obsolete hardware while still keeping the current HD programming they now enjoy.

    It also seems fairly well agreed upon that while there are workarounds, there are those who find those to be a deficient solution.

    Finally, I think that given the character of large corporations and their myriad needs, it is unlikely that DIRECTV will ever issue a detailed explanation of their programming philosophy to date, especially any reason why Dual Live Buffers were not included initially and are not yet available. Whether that reason is technical, philosophical, or both, I simply do not expect them to be so transparent.

    Again, respectfully, I ask, what is there to be said on this topic that has not been said, approximately 3,127 times?
     
  9. GrumpyBear

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    The new DirectTV/Tivo box, will have DLB, just like the old DirectTV/Tivo Box's.
     
  10. Stuart Sweet

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    Mr. Bear, you assume facts not yet in evidence. There has been no press release or statement of any kind describing the feature set of the proposed device, other than that TiVo, Inc. will be developing it.

    At any rate, please confine all discussion of that press release to the appropriate thread.
     
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    It would be impractical for D* or any company to release internal documents on a company decision, that effects them and isn't lying and manipulating markets or stock price.

    This thread and the Thread before are proof that this is a MISSING Feature, and D* has done lots of work, to come up with Workarounds, so they have to have some notion of the importance of this Missing Feature.
    Lots of people will say this Forum and Forum's like this one, have kept the pressure on D* to fix issue.

    More and more people are just coming here to vent and see WHY DLB is missing, as they have just recently lost thier DirectTV/Tivo units.
    Telling all of these new people as well as some that have been mad since the begining to just drop it and live with it makes no sense. Just look at the improvements in the workaround as proof, that keeping this topic going is helping.
     
  12. DC_SnDvl

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    The problem is if we went from HR10 to HR2x we did loose a core DVR feature. I don't care who wrote the code. The front of the box of both units says "DirecTV HD DVR" so I don't buy the line in the sand BS that we can't say they took DLB away from us because the HR20 was DirecTV's first HD DVR.

    We had DLB and they got rid of it. I don't care why, I just want it back.

     
  13. Stuart Sweet

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    It would appear that we agree on that point.

    I am interested in your theory about how high demand on sites like these equates to DLB being a missing feature, as opposed to one that is strongly desired. Please, if you could, use a logical structure to show specifically how demand in the present day affects the fact that DLB was never part of the HR2x design spec and therefore while desirable, is not in fact missing; something that was never present can not be missing. If you like, please also correlate the assertion made by others that DLB is a core feature without which a DVR ceases to be a DVR, vis-a-vis the apparently incontrovertible fact that the HR2x is a DVR.

    Please provide your basis for a wave of new visitors to this thread.
    That is in fact the exact opposite of what I am asking. I am asking for someone, anyone, to reframe this discussion in a way that is not a simple retrenchment, restatement of past arguments, or semantic sidebar.
     
  14. James Long

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    Many can't see why the current HR2x DVRs don't have DLB either.
    Not seeing a reason doesn't mean that the feature will be there.

    If you go from a HR2x to a ViP-622/722 DVR you will get DLB back. Different receivers have different feature sets.

    DLB is not a feature of the HR2x.
     
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    True, but just about every dual tuner DVR has DLBs, the list has been rehashed many times. The HR2x is about the only one that doesn't.
     
  16. Flyrx7

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    EXACTLY!

    The semantics argument is only there for someone to prove they're right. It's not a valid argument at all, IMHO, but it appears to make some people happy.

    Since the original DLB unit is branded as a Directv piece of hardware, but made by Tivo is nearly the same thing as the HR2*'s being made by RCA, Pace, Samsung, etc.; the consumer most likely doesn't care WHO made the unit, they just want it to function correctly. That is why people feel like DLB was taken from them, the unit, regardless of mfg, still says "Directv" on the front and was provided by the same company, Directv.

    Please, save the semantic rhetorts too, as it has been pointed out, they've been covered too, like just about everything else. That means that all is left is some sort of venting about why it's taking so long, as time is about the only thing (except meager workarounds) that has changed since the beginning of this topic.

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  17. Stuart Sweet

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    Frank, I think you and I are in complete agreement.
     
  18. SDizzle

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    I believe we will see DLB on the HR2X series DVRs sooner....rather than later! We've been patient for over 2 years with this lineup of DVRs.....a little more waiting is not a big deal.
     
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    I am looking forward to it!
    It sure will be nice to have the DLB [fill in the politcal correct word] again!
     
  20. RCY

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    I'd have to agree. But that's why there's an occasional flurry on this - some folks don't want this forgotten. Since the only way to keep the thread going is to post to it (even if repetitive), the current pattern is the inevitable result.
     
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