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What are your thoughts on Dual Live Buffers?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Feb 1, 2008.

What are your thoughts on Dual Live Buffers?

  1. DLB's are not an important feature to me, based on my use of the HR2x.

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  2. I might use DLB's if implemented, but I can live without them.

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  3. I would prefer DLB's as implemented on the HR10, but the current work-around is OK.

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  4. I want DLB's as implemented on the HR10. The current work-around is inadequate.

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  5. Until DLB's are added, I will not get a DVR+ unit.

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  1. Jan 5, 2009 #3421 of 3895
    Flyrx7

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    While I understand the want for the autopause feature, I don't think it's necessary. If you want to resume at the spot when you get back, then pause it manually before you switch.

    Now an autobookmark might be nice, but probably not necessary as well.
     
  2. Jan 5, 2009 #3422 of 3895
    GrumpyBear

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    No the the Pause's were put into his DLB comparison, as he used to use a DLB system that required him to Pause, and then select the other tuner. You couldn't just go from tuner 1 to tuner 2. Nowadays, on the competion, going from tuner 1 to tuner 2, is as simple as 1 button.
     
  3. Jan 5, 2009 #3423 of 3895
    Steve

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    Are you talking about Dish? Unless it's changed in the past year or so, on the DirecTiVo's (from where many of us HR2x owners migrated), the down button switched tuners, but it didn't auto-pause them. /steve
     
  4. Jan 5, 2009 #3424 of 3895
    GrumpyBear

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    Ok,
    In Spartanstews write up of the process, he has a
    DLB:

    Locate channel to watch
    pause
    swap tuners
    locate second channel
    pause
    switch
    press play

    each time thereafter:
    pause
    switch
    play

    He has all the pause's before the swap tuners, as with his old Tivo unit he had to pause Tuner1, before he could swap over to tuner2. These pauses are NOT needed, as Most other DVR's have a single button(Spartanstew, didn't realize it could be done with a single button either) that allows you to swap between the buffers. As for a Autopause, not sure I would use that feature, as I normally swap over during a commerical break anyways, to surf on the other buffer.
     
  5. Jan 5, 2009 #3425 of 3895
    Steve

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    He has the pause there because he wants to pause before he leaves, so when he comes back he can resume where he left off. Otherwise on a TiVO, down arrow just switches tuners and the buffer you left keeps advancing. /steve
     
  6. Jan 5, 2009 #3426 of 3895
    puffnstuff

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    Understandable , if that's what it takes to get us there . Baby steps ( Don't have any kids , when do they start walking ? :))

    I haven't found one that does auto pause in my brief search , or have ever used one .
     
  7. Jan 5, 2009 #3427 of 3895
    spartanstew

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    Unless you have whatever version supposedly does autopause, the workaround is LESS button presses. That's what you keep failing to realize. If D* does implement DLB, I don't think it will have autopause. It will probably work just like it did with D*Tivo's, which means EVERY time you want to switch tuners you have 3 button presses (pause, switch, play). EVERY time. That's multiple button presses.

    I find it humorous that people think pressing record/list/play (3 button presses) ONCE at the beginning is difficult, but those same people think pressing 3 buttons repeatedly throughout the day to swap tuners is easy. Remarkable.

    Forget it's about DLB. If I told you D* was going to implement a new feature, but it could work one of two ways: One way you'd have to press about 9 buttons to get it working and then for the next 2 hours you'd have to press 1 button every 15 minutes of so. The other way you'd have press about 7 buttons to get if working and then for the next 2 hours you'd have to press 3 buttons every 15 minutes. Which way would you want it? Duh, the one with less button presses. Guess what? The one with less button presses (even if you include the presses needed to delete), is the one every keeps saying has "multiple button presses" and is "difficult"

    I get it that people can't live without DLB, but don't make outrageous claims, exaggerate and make things up. It makes the argument seem weaker.

    OK, you can continue to wait. In the meantime, I'll continue to watch 2 channels at once in all their glory. Right now I'm watching the Junior Championship Hockey Game AND the Texas/OSU football game and loving it.


    edit: IF it was implemented with auto-pause, then it would be a much better feature and I would probably use it more. But the current workaround is not terrible, or difficult or confusing or any of the other things that have been said.
     
  8. Jan 5, 2009 #3428 of 3895
    GrumpyBear

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    Steve,
    As you can see, Spartanstew, had to Pause before switching tuners.
    You don't need to pause to switch tuners. Just Swap, single button.
     
  9. Jan 5, 2009 #3429 of 3895
    Steve

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    Ya, but he paused because he wanted to freeze the tuner he wasn't watching. He didn't have to pause to swap tuners.

    The REC/REC workaround autopauses, because that's how HR2x's work. When you exit a recording, it bookmarks your spot, so no need to hit PAUSE. That's why he's saying it's one less step... if that's what you want. PAUSE.

    For someone who doesn't want to PAUSE when switching tuners, all you have to do on a TiVo is hit DOWN ARROW. /steve
     
  10. Jan 5, 2009 #3430 of 3895
    spartanstew

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    But if you're trying to watch 2 shows, why would you not want to pause when switching? That's the whole point of DLB (b stands for buffer). If you don't want to pause the show, then there's no need to switch tuners at all. Just change the channel. You can do that now.
     
  11. Jan 5, 2009 #3431 of 3895
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    I guess it was the wording, saying he had to Pause the 1st tuner to access the 2nd tuner, always took 2 buttons(granted I could careless about button count)
    Tonight is a great example of DLB with PiP, granted don't need the PiP, watching the game on Tuner1, and surfing on Tuner 2, between the 2 local news stations. Keeping up on the weather and road updates. May have to go and pickup Sister-in-Law at work, she doesn't have the right car for the roads tonight.
     
  12. Jan 5, 2009 #3432 of 3895
    Steve

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    I don't disagree. When I had it, I wished the TiVo had AUTOPAUSE. I was just responding to Grumpybear who said:

    /steve
     
  13. Jan 5, 2009 #3433 of 3895
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    Normal jumping between football games, is when Game "A" goes to a LONG commerical Break during a timeout, or change of half. Switch to Game "B" for a quick update, and jumpback. You swapped over to miss the 5min's of Commericals. Or you have nailed down Tuner 1 to one show and are surfing between a couple of shows on tuner like tonight. Game on tuner1, KHQ, and KREM update weather and roads, oppisite of each other, catch weather on KHQ, and then Catch the Roads on KREM, on tuner2
     
  14. Jan 5, 2009 #3434 of 3895
    spartanstew

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    You can do most of that pretty quickly right now with the QuickTune.
     
  15. Jan 5, 2009 #3435 of 3895
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    Same here. But just imagine if we had PIP. :sure:
     
  16. Jan 5, 2009 #3436 of 3895
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    It would be pretty hard to do, actually.
    I would have to start Recording this 4hr football game(NOT the end of the world, but goes against the grain to Record what I am watching). I would then have to record the 1st 15min's of KHQ, so I get the weather, and then record the last 15min's of KREM, at both the Top and Bottom of the HR. With DLB, Watch the game, commercial break. Swap over Catch the weather, as I rewind to the 2-3mins of the weather I wanted, change the channel, go back to the game. Next Convienent Commerial Break, jump over rewind to and get the Road report. If no convient Commerial break is coming up, hit PiP, so I don't miss any action of the game. I have no recordings and your way, I would have 5 recordings.
    As for Not wanting to pause, NASCAR is a great reason, I like to just keep up on the race, 3-4 hrs long, and most of it comes down to the last 30 or so laps. I just want a quick update, and can rewind if I want too. Blow out football games are another reason NOT to pause, I only go back when I see the score change for the good, and things may get interesting again. Its to hard NOT to know whats going on in the other game, as all the FOX, CBS, ABC, BigTen Network, and Fox Sports, keep the updates in different parts of the screen. Why pause a game, that I just want to see the action I saw updated on with the scores, or just to see whats happening during a lull in the game I am watching, and the game now has a 55min pause going on, and have to Hit Live mode and rewind. Could careless what happend in the other 50min's.
     
  17. Jan 5, 2009 #3437 of 3895
    spartanstew

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    True in that case Grumpy. Since you were responding to my question about why would you not want to pause, I was giving a suggestion to use IF you in fact didn't need to pause.

    If you just want to flip back and forth between 2 or more shows, you can just use QuickTune.
     
  18. Jan 5, 2009 #3438 of 3895
    spartanstew

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    Yep, had it on my last TV and got a bit used to it. My new TV doesn't have it and we miss it (we've always had 2 DVR's hooked up to the display).

    I'd much rather have PIP than DLB, since there's ZERO workaround for PIP.
     
  19. Jan 5, 2009 #3439 of 3895
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    L stands for live .
     
  20. Jan 5, 2009 #3440 of 3895
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    Quicktune wouldn't do it though. I would have to setup recordings for the 1st 15min's of one show, and the last of another show. Quicktune just keeps me from having to hit 2 or 6, doesn't have a buffer I can back up, unless I start recording it.
    Granted with PiP and DLB, I don't have to wait for a well timed commercial break, but this isn't about having both, this is about DLB.
     
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