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What are your thoughts on Dual Live Buffers?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Feb 1, 2008.

What are your thoughts on Dual Live Buffers?

  1. DLB's are not an important feature to me, based on my use of the HR2x.

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  2. I might use DLB's if implemented, but I can live without them.

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  3. I would prefer DLB's as implemented on the HR10, but the current work-around is OK.

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  4. I want DLB's as implemented on the HR10. The current work-around is inadequate.

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  5. Until DLB's are added, I will not get a DVR+ unit.

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  1. Jun 4, 2008 #1841 of 3895
    puffnstuff

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    How do you figure I bit . I just wanted to know if he had come up with any more wild therioes lately . You said it yourself he's funny :) I know his game well and love to play it with him .
     
  2. Jun 4, 2008 #1842 of 3895
    ATARI

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    Maybe D* made a behind closed doors agreement with Tivo not to put DLB in any of their DVRs in exchange for continuing their use of TiVo DVRs, and a promise from Tivo not to sue.
    </tin_foil_hat>

    Man, I'm bored at work today. :)
     
  3. Jun 4, 2008 #1843 of 3895
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    I stand corrected, however I will maintain that those cases are extremely far and few between. I cant imagine any circumstance where DirecTv would come out admit this was a mistake especially when people are signing up in record numbers. I dont pertend to know what the behind the scenes circumstances were in your example, but it almost sounds like an admission to try to restore trust ina company after a bad situation.
     
  4. Jun 4, 2008 #1844 of 3895
    Rich

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    You mean not educated well enough to understand, right? That guy really pissed me off when he said that. And the day I got to drop the CEOs admission on his desk was extremely satisfying. I would like to have stuffed his college ring...

    "Ring Knockers" are a nasty breed.

    Rich
     
  5. Jun 4, 2008 #1845 of 3895
    Rich

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    Me too, but I lurked and you bit! And he was lurking next to me.

    On a thread as long and repetitive as this one is, a little well timed, well written and truly logical humor is needed. And BJ is a hoot.

    I fully intend to keep insisting the reason for no DLBs is patent infringement issues until someone proves conclusively that it isn't. And I plan to enjoy doing it. Do I think I'm absolutely right? I'm a raging pessimist, I never think I'm right. Besides it's the only answer that makes sense. Logically.

    Do you believe that D* is deliberately alienating subs because, because, what? Why would they do that?

    Are they inept or incompetent? No. In a world where HD providers are few, I think D* is the best choice or I wouldn't have it. Like the HR20/21s, they've gotten better in the last year. Regarding customer service I mean.

    Rich
     
  6. Jun 4, 2008 #1846 of 3895
    inkahauts

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    The reason this thread is still being posted in and the one about what might be coming next is because people would rather complain and post inaccurate and obviously incorrect theories on why they don't have something rather than speculating on what they could be getting soon....
     
  7. Jun 4, 2008 #1847 of 3895
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    Or, some people aren't sheep and (after almost three years with the R15) are skeptical of any self serving statement by a corporate officer regarding some "feature" that is coming "soon".
     
  8. Jun 4, 2008 #1848 of 3895
    Rich

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    Ho! Back to the mysterious "feature" again. What DO you think it is? I have no idea. I still think they should concentrate on stability of the platform before adding "bells and whistles".

    Now all five of my HR20s are randomly rebooting. I hope they fix this issue in a hurry. I went thru damn near a year with TiVos rebooting randomly and I don't want to go thru it again.

    Perhaps, by the time they get the platform stabilized, TiVo and D* will have come to an agreement that will allow DLBs on the 20/21s.

    Rich
     
  9. Jun 4, 2008 #1849 of 3895
    Nicholsen

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    I like Atari's theory/ opinion / speculation. I.E., TIVO and D* signed a truce, but TIVO protected one of the crown jewels (DLB).

    As to everyone else's boxes, I think TIVO is now taking a much stronger line on alleged patent infringement. Their ongoing litigation with E* is instructive.

    All of the DVR patent holders probably have some ability (however broad or limited) to threaten, block, and/or sue the other players in the industry. This is pretty common in the high tech world. One big benefit to D* from acquiring Replay is that it can now "cross-license" the Replay patents with other DVR patent holders (like TIVO).

    This is a pretty complicated game, but owning some of the DVR patents is much, much better than owning none.

    For what it's worth, it TIVO just turned an unexpected profit. IMHO, they remain the leader in the DVR space. They were once strategic allies with D*, they are now strategic allies with the cable companies.

    Big companies like D* have made big mistakes before. (Take a look at In Search of Stupidity, which humorously outlines some of the 30 biggest high tech failures of all time.)
     
  10. Jun 4, 2008 #1850 of 3895
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    I don't think my supposition and your position around forgot are mutially exclusive. Say they forgot, when they realized they needed it, they "were looking into how they want to implement DLB" and now they realized it's major surgery to the arch to implemement it.

    The second point is how much credibility Earl has even though he was not an employee for most of this thread. Is he posting now that he is an employee?

    As to the legal thing, I deal with laywers in a huge corporation on a daily basis, and at least at my huge corporation, they a hyper conservative and anything that could even remotely be an issue is blocked by them. One has to realized that in law almost nothing is black and white. It's all shades of gray and interpretation. I can easily imagine many scenarios where DTV legal has decided it's too risky to implement. Also, I'm pretty sure the existing agreement expires in 2010...joe
     
  11. Jun 4, 2008 #1851 of 3895
    Mike Bertelson

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    Not sure what you're trying to say about Earl... :scratchin

    Patent infringement, in particular, is probably awash in grey paint. :lol:

    However, the HR2x has features that are similar to TiVo patents now (auto-correction).

    Further, most other HD DVR's have DLB and TiVo isn't suing all of them. I don't think they could afford it.

    I kinda think that at this point TiVo is a minor, probably negligible, concern in DircTV's consideration of DLB.

    Mike
     
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    I'll reinterate, the workaround SUCKS! You can record one program and HOPEFULLY preserve the live buffer. But ONE wrong button on the remote and the live buffer vanishes.

    It was never that difficult with DLB on my Sony T-60.

    Just give us one button (the down arrow??) on the remote that gives us the second tuner -- even with a smaller buffer. IT CAN"T BE THAT DIFFICULT!

    Just about as much programming as making the record light orange instead of yellow!
     
  14. Jun 4, 2008 #1854 of 3895
    AZ_Engineer

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    RE Earl; Just that it's not clear who he is, and if he really has any special linkage into DTV. He claims to, but this is the anonomous internet, he could just be anyone trying to put their opinions forth.

    It is strange that other than Bolt James and Earl speaking apparently unnofficially on the behalf of DTV, DTV chooses to remain silent. I for one wonder why. In my professional role I make sure customers are treated well, and their questions and issues are anwered. I find it hard to believe that DTV doesn't know about this forum or this complaint...joe
     
  15. Jun 4, 2008 #1855 of 3895
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    Wow. DLB is serious stuff, then? Let's look at the list:

    1. Record fuel prices, unemployment rising, airlines closing, economic crisis.

    2. 69,122 killed in Asian earthquake.

    3. Watching two TV shows at the same time with a buffer no longer possible.

    DLB is no game. Very serious. Who's making the ribbons and the bumper stickers?

    BJ
     
  16. Jun 4, 2008 #1856 of 3895
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    Here's my theory:

    It's a patent or legal issue.

    BJ
     
  17. Jun 4, 2008 #1857 of 3895
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    This is no hoot. This is serious. This is not a game. Lives are at risk. TV shows must be watched. Simlutaneously.

    BJ
     
  18. Jun 4, 2008 #1858 of 3895
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    Earl has proved time, and time, and time again over the past several years that he is who he says he is, and he does have the connections he said he had... his hiring by DirecTV should be evidence of that. The photos of Tom's "special vacation" several months ago should also be evidence of the connections Earl had. Earls connections offered Tom the chance to go to "disneyland for geeks".

    As to DirecTV being silent... That's pretty much corporate America now... Leak the information you want through parties that can't be directly tied to you... that way if things change and the information isn't right anymore... you never really said it.
     
  19. Jun 5, 2008 #1859 of 3895
    luckydob

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    1. Stop buying other stuff if you can't afford gas...it's called budgeting. We are NOT in an economic crisis...you may be, but one person does not a crisis make.
    2. Hundreds of thousands of people die EVERY DAY from multiple reasons. Somehow the human race moves on...
    3. I STILL want DLB.

    I accepted your bait...we can go back and forth if you like; either way...I STILL will want DLB.

    Blah.
     
  20. Jun 5, 2008 #1860 of 3895
    inkahauts

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    Never heard them say that anything will come to the R15....

    I'm not a sheep for not wanting to reiterate reasons something doesn't exist that are inaccurate. And I take everything with a grain of salt when something is supposed to come out.... Who knows for sure if we will get DLB of some sort... But to keep repeating that we don't have it because its a patent issues is ludicrous. Not only does Tivo not own a patent on it, but even if they or replayTV did (and those two own almost all the patents on DVRs) it still would not hinder Directv's implementation of DLB because they own replaytv and they have an agreement with Tivo that says they can add whatever feature they want because they are paying Tivo some sort of fee.
     
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