What does E* have that D* doesn't?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by -Draino-, Jun 19, 2010.

  1. Jun 20, 2010 #41 of 135

    HoTat2 Hall Of Fame

    Nov 16, 2005
    Well, from just using the MRV feature with only external DECA dongles on all receivers and no H/HR24s in the mix to do any actual performance testing, it is working fine for me so far.

    Though I would like to see some actual numbers on signal loss and data rates on a PHY Rate Mesh test screen, but you need at least one H/HR24 in the DECA cloud the see these.
  2. Jun 20, 2010 #42 of 135

    RAD Well-Known Member

    Aug 5, 2002
    Really not much of a difference once you start a MRV session. With a prior to HR24/H24 server/client the MRV session starts a little (like only a couple seconds) longer but once it's going no difference from what I've seen. I have HR24's, HR22, HR23 and H21's in my mix.
  3. Jun 20, 2010 #43 of 135

    ans2004 Mentor

    Oct 27, 2008
    Directv's sports pak is alot better than dish's. At least most of the ones on directv are fulltime channels. As far as superstations go, i din't care if i have them or not.
  4. Jun 20, 2010 #44 of 135

    espaeth AllStar

    Oct 13, 2003
    I'm a recent convert from Dish to DirecTV, solely for the reason of getting the regional sports networks in full time HD. I'm a hockey fan and I was willing to cut Dish slack while the RSNs themselves were only producing a limited number of games in HD, but as that count has gone up it became more frustrating with Dish.

    That said, here are the big changes I've noticed thusfar:

    - With DirecTV your equipment is luck of the draw. Like many others I got lucky and get a pair of HR24s with my new install, but it could have gone the other way easily.
    - With Dish you can purchase the equipment outright and not have the 24 month commitment.
    - The ViP dual tuner series has nifty features like Picture-in-Picture. This is really handy if you're watching a couple games -- even if the PiP window isn't up and you're watching a game full screen, you just hit "swap" to jump over to the other tuner with absolutely no delay in the switch.
    - The ViP series had more flexible recording options. I always wanted to record the 2am showing of the Daily Show on Comedy Central, so I'd just select the 2am show, make the recording for M-F, and it would only record that time slot when the program guide said the show was the Daily Show. I would get the M-Th recording at that specific timeslot to avoid interfering with my other timers. So far I have been unable to perform this same type of recording on the HR24 except by setting up a manual timer, but that doesn't let you set things like how many episodes to keep.

    Also, for the folks who commented on the multiple dish setup with E*, those configurations haven't really been required for a while. You have the 1000.2 for Western Arc (110/119/129), the 1000.4 for Eastern Arc (62.5/72.7/77), and the 1000+ for Western Arc w/ Internationals (110/118.7/119/129). In many markets both 1000.2 and 1000.4 will work, so you can use whichever single dish solution has line of sight to that particular satellite constellation.
  5. Jun 20, 2010 #45 of 135

    am7crew Legend

    Jun 5, 2009
    I have both and what Dish has that Direct doesnt at the moment:
    Way more premium HD channels (Epix, HBO's, Cinemax's, Encore etc)
    A Box that comes with 1 TB of space (922)
    Various HD channels D* doesnt have (E! HD, HLN HD, etc)
    Thats about it that I can think of, oh yeah and the price is the same as D* for me (all channels 5 HD DVR's with D / all channels 3 HD DVR's with E).
  6. Jun 20, 2010 #46 of 135

    RAD Well-Known Member

    Aug 5, 2002
    If you have two more 922's wouldn't the cost be $34/month more on E* due to the $17/month 922 lease fee (need 922's to get the 1TB drive space)?
  7. Jun 20, 2010 #47 of 135

    JLucPicard Hall Of Fame

    Apr 27, 2004
    That option is available with DirecTV as well, though not advertised. The HR21-Pro is a "purchase (OWN) only" unit and is or has been available through a few online retailers.

    You can also purchase the 'lease model' receivers/DVRs as owned units as well, but I believe only through DirecTV (or possibly private parties who are selling OWNED equipment). And the price is in the neighborhood of double what the standard lease cost is.
  8. Jun 20, 2010 #48 of 135
    Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    As has been mentioned, with DIRECTV you can purchase any receiver. The easiest is the HR21-Pro as it was intended for owned purchase.

    There is a way to "reliably" record The Daily Show and use a retention setting. Make an autorecord keyword search for "JON STEWART NNOT SLANT CCHAN 249". Be certain to include plenty of padding on the end--Comedy Central has been known to lie in the guide about when the show will start/end, especially in the second showing. (And that is why I put reliably in quotes--the DVR is reliable, the data from Comedy Central is not.)

    I've been using this autorecord for several months and it has been perfect. And it prioritizes correctly around everything else.

  9. Jun 20, 2010 #49 of 135

    HDTVsportsfan Active Member

    Nov 29, 2005
    I haven't read this whole thread...just the first post.

    I'll tell you what they DON'T have.

  10. Jun 20, 2010 #50 of 135

    Dradran AllStar

    Apr 21, 2010

    The main reason why I have DirecTv. A Pats fan in Colorado.
  11. Jun 21, 2010 #51 of 135

    HerntDawg Legend

    Oct 6, 2008
    I read the whole thread, and waited until the last 2 to see my answer.

  12. Jun 21, 2010 #52 of 135

    Hoosier205 Active Member

    Sep 3, 2007
    I know what else Dish has over DirecTV...busier lawyers!
  13. Jun 21, 2010 #53 of 135

    evan_s Hall Of Fame

    Mar 3, 2008
    Dish is definitely heading that way but there are still a lot of existing multiple dish installs and areas where you need multi-dish setups to get all your hd and sd locals.
  14. Jun 21, 2010 #54 of 135

    RAD Well-Known Member

    Aug 5, 2002
    Don't know what's "special" then about Austin TX since I still see new installs going in and they're getting two dishes.
  15. Jun 21, 2010 #55 of 135

    espaeth AllStar

    Oct 13, 2003
    The only thing that would possibly be "special" is the installer. Austin, TX has SD locals on 119 (110/119/129 Western Arc), and HD locals on 129 & 61.5 so either a Western or Eastern Arc single-dish solution would work. Even with internationals off 118.7 they'd be fine using a 1000+ dish and pointed at the Western arc.
  16. Jun 21, 2010 #56 of 135

    de_runner Mentor

    Mar 31, 2010
    There are a number of markets that D* does NOT offer locals in HD, yet E* does. I live in one of them. D* has no plan to provide locals in HD here (Bakersfield) as evidenced by the list of those scheduled thru 2011. Bakersfield is NOT on the list.
  17. Jun 21, 2010 #57 of 135

    evan_s Hall Of Fame

    Mar 3, 2008
    I think there are some issues with the coverage pattern of 129 so portions of texas can't get the stuff of 129. Like I said dish is working towards it but looking at the dish forums there still seem to be plenty of posts from people with existing multi-dish installs that suddenly aren't able to get new HD channels or new installs requiring multi-dish installs because of where locals are or coverage patterns of the sats or LOS or what ever.
  18. Jun 21, 2010 #58 of 135

    espaeth AllStar

    Oct 13, 2003
    There were issues with E*5 when it was covering the 129W slot. Ceil-II corrected the TX coverage issues when it was launched back in '08.


    Which is why you shouldn't see multi-dish new installs. The folks who aren't getting the new HD had 110/119 and the 61.5 wing dish to pick up HD. New HD is being deployed on 129 and 72.7, so you need either a pure Western Arc 110/119/129 or Eastern Arc 61.5/72.7/77 configuration to get all the HD channels, and both of those are single dish solutions.

    The only real Frankenstein solutions would be existing customers who had existing MPEG2 SD receivers and added HD receivers when their HD locals are on 61.5 and not 129. Eastern arc is all MPEG4 so new installs get all HD/MPEG4 gear regardless if it's an HD or SD install. If you have legacy MPEG2 receivers for SD, that has to come off 110/119.
  19. Jun 29, 2010 #59 of 135

    Mike109 Legend

    Jun 28, 2010
    I find this thread interesting as I am thinking about dropping cable. Currently I get everything but premium channels & sports packages. Looking as the satellite packages it seems I would get most or all of what I watch with a basic package.

    Dish & DirecTV both offer free HD & HD DVR depending on the package. Neither one has all my locals so I would need an antenna.

    The cheapest Dish is $24.99/mon ($39.99/mon after 12 months) +$6.00/mon for DVR service.

    It appears to get the free HD DVR with D* that you need the $34.99 package ($63.99/mon after 12 months) +$7.00/mon for DVR service.

    D* does give me more channels but I don’t know if it’s worth the extra money in my case. After 12 month D* cost $24/mon more.

    I’m also looking at other fees such a $6/mon for phone connection and $6/mon for a service plan. Depending an where I look the phone line may be there only for PPV, or maybe not.

    A service plan seems strange to me. Paying a $6/mon service fee to someone to fix their own property does not seem right. But I guess the providers get their money one way or the other. With Dish it appears there is also a $15 charge if someone comes out to the house. Without a plan it is $95. I’m certainly not sticking up for Comcast, but there has never been a charge when they’ve come to the house for anything. If there was I would be broke!

    One thing I do not see mentioned is how far out does the Electronic Program Guide extends for either D* or E*. Comcast used to extend 13-14 days until they did an upgrade. Now it is anywhere from 6-8 days. That really screws things if you are going on a 2 week vacation & want to schedule programs. I know you can program series, but not everything is a series. How far out do the guides extend for D* and E*?

    FWIW, I do value customer service. It may be worth higher fees if the service is better.

    Any comments would be appreciated.
    Thanks in advance.
  20. Jun 29, 2010 #60 of 135
    Joe C

    Joe C Godfather

    Mar 2, 2005
    My neighbor just got Dish installed last week as a new customer. We are in the NY DMA. He has the eastern arc dish. If he subs to the NY locals would they come on that dish or would he need another dish pointing in another direction ?

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