What does E* have that D* doesn't?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by -Draino-, Jun 19, 2010.

  1. Jun 29, 2010 #81 of 135
    espaeth

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    Having had both, the picture quality really isn't noticeably different.

    Channel disputes happen with all providers; the dispute with Versus kept me from switching to DirecTV earlier.

    The dish configuration change for new HD only affected a fraction of the HD customer base. Almost every new sub since 2007-ish should have received either a 1000.2 or 1000.4 dish that pulls in a pure Western or Eastern arc, and those folks got the channels without issues.

    There are definitely areas where DirecTV exceeds Dish like MRV and full-time HD RSNs, it just seems out of place to point out trivial details that only affect a handful of subscribers as being disadvantages to the service. This is like making the argument that Dish didn't just have all their DVRs lock up a couple weeks ago due to a guide glitch, so clearly Dish is better. See how ridiculous that sounds?

    But the patent office ruled that the patent in question was invalid anyway. The infringement trial isn't over yet, but this is one of the final nails in the coffin: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/06/11/1221914/patent-office-rules-against-tivo.html
     
  2. Jun 29, 2010 #82 of 135
    xmguy

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    I was at a friends house who has Dish in HD. They have 2 HD tvs. But only 1 HD DVR. So one tv looks great the other looks like crap!
     
  3. Jun 29, 2010 #83 of 135
    xmguy

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    Tell me about it. My local "cable tv over phone line" offers HD for $17 for 30 channels! They even add a DVR for $36. RIP OFF!!
     
  4. Jun 29, 2010 #84 of 135
    Lodi25

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    AMC HD!
     
  5. Jun 29, 2010 #85 of 135
    sigma1914

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    Neither Dish or Directv has AMC HD.
     
  6. Jun 29, 2010 #86 of 135
    gitarzan

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    Fast guide, no audio dropouts as far as I know, picture in picture, picture out of picture (I really miss that feature)
     
  7. Jun 29, 2010 #87 of 135
    Glen_D

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    You may indeed be right about new customers no longer being able to order ATXXX packages without locals. As best I can determine, this policy became effective June 3, 2010, when Dish announced that as of that date they would carry local stations in every market, and effectively eliminate the separate with/without locals pricing structure.

    In essence, for example, the $19.99 promotional/$34.99 regular AT120 package w/o locals that was advertised is no longer available; it would now be $24.99 promotional/$39.99 regular, and would include locals for everybody.

    I have some friends here in town who signed up for Dish a couple of years back, but opted out of the local channels for a $5 monthly savings. They still don't have local channels with their AT200 package (and really don't want them), so existing customers apparently have to opt in to get them.

    It would be interesting to see if a new customer could successfully opt out of subscribing to locals with Dish upon request. Some people claim DirecTV's "discontinued" Select package is available to anyone who requests it.
     
  8. Jun 30, 2010 #88 of 135
    bigbrother52

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  9. Jun 30, 2010 #89 of 135
    espaeth

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    Most folks refer to E* as "Dish Network" -- a few months back the company was split into Dish Network for TV and Echostar who handles the satellite fleet, receivers, etc.

    This agreement is simply XstreamHD (a company with no relation to Dish) leasing transponder space on AMC-16, a satellite that has absolutely nothing to do with the Dish Network TV service.
     
  10. Jun 30, 2010 #90 of 135
    bigbrother52

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    I hope that is true but...

    If XstreameHD makes an agreement to sell it's services to either Dish or DirecTV in the future, it's more likely then not IMO that Dish would be the more suitable partner. I hope not but!
     
  11. Jun 30, 2010 #91 of 135
    Newshawk

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    No, XstreamHD is looking to be a competitor, ala Voom.
     
  12. Jun 30, 2010 #92 of 135
    bigbrother52

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    I understand what they are looking to be. As I said in an earlier post, I was looking forward to getting them as a seperate service.

    Where is VOOM exactly these days? Mostly rebranded as Echostar!
     
  13. Jun 30, 2010 #93 of 135
    jerrylove56

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    Same here.
     
  14. Jun 30, 2010 #94 of 135
    espaeth

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    What we're trying to tell you is it is a separate service, they are just leasing cheap unused capacity that Echostar holds on AMC-16. That satellite is at 85W longitude -- even if you're already a Dish subscriber and want to get XStreamHD you have to put up another dish because 85W isn't an orbital slot used by Dish Network.

    Voom is a product of Rainbow Media, and has since been reduced to only a couple channels carried by systems outside of the US. (ie, Oasis is carried on Shaw cable and satellite networks in Canada) After they were dropped by Dish they were only carried on CableVision for a couple months.

    Interestingly enough the rift that resulted when Dish dropped the Voom channels is what allowed DirecTV to get MSG and MSG+ in HD. Rainbow Media is owned by CableVision, and the MSG networks were owned by CableVision (they're split from CV now, but the Dolan family still owns a controlling interest). After the Voom channels were dropped from Dish network service, to try and force Dish to carry the channels again CableVision granted access to MSG and MSG+ HD to DirecTV and told Dish they couldn't get access unless the Voom channels were reinstated. The idea is that the NY DMA represents a huge subscriber demographic, and having the regional sports network in HD presented a huge competitive advantage. Dish never added the Voom channels back, the service basically folded, and Dish is still blocked from getting MSG in HD.
     
  15. Jun 30, 2010 #95 of 135
    levibluewa

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    Directv with a new sat is catching up to DISH with their national HD offerings, however DISH still offers BBCAMERICA, CENTRIC, DIY, E!, EPIX, EPIX2, FASHIONTV, G4, INVESTIGATION DISCOVERY, HISTORY iNTERNATIONAL, HEADLINE NEWS, INDIE MOVIES, LIFETIME MOVIE NETWORK, MAV TV, NATGEO WILD, RETRO MOVIES, SHORTS MOVIES, STYLE, TURNER CLASSIC MOVIES, TRUTV, and a couple of others that Directv still does not. Directv offers ESPNU, MLB and SMITHSONIAN that DISH does not.

    Directv also offers most of the regional sports networks in full-time HD, while DISH does not.

    Price wise the primary channel line-ups run about $80+ for both services. Add equipment charges, dvr fees, premium movie packages, sports packages (Directv) to the $80. Most prefer the DISH receivers. At present I have both services. HD picture quality is the same. SD channels vary...one channel is clearer on DISH, another SD channel is clearer on Directv.
     
  16. Jun 30, 2010 #96 of 135
    bigbrother52

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    Dude, I got it really I do.

    For the third time in this thread I'll repeat, I'm looking forward to getting this thing as a SEPERATE SERVICE!!

    What part of this do you think I'm not understanding.
    Got it, I put up the new dish that ExtreameHD still doesn't have anybody to make for them yet but it will almost for sure look exactly like a Dish dish to point at an Echostar sat., and VOOM, the satellite, was renamed EchoStar 12.

    If, and I said before IF XtreameHD sells their services and I did say in the FUTURE, it was IMO that Dish would make the more suitable partner.
    If that is not your opinion of a future possability, then that is your opinion and you are entitled to that.
     
  17. Jun 30, 2010 #97 of 135
    Mike109

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    I was hoping sat would be less expensive than cable. It may be, but not by much. The D* with free HD DVR is $63.99 after the first 12 months, plus $7/mon for DVR service, plus $6/mon for a service plan. That’s $77/mon and I still need an antenna for the locals that they don’t have. That’s about $15/month cheaper than cable, but also fewer channels.

    I’m not knocking D* and certainly have no love for Comcast as I’m on my fifth DVR in less than a year. I was just hoping there would be a bigger savings.

    This makes me consider E* which is cheaper, but fewer channels yet. I guess I’m getting cheap, but spending $1000 a year to watch TV seems crazy, even though I’ve been doing it for years. Decisions, decisions.
     
  18. Jun 30, 2010 #98 of 135
    MysteryMan

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    If you buy cheap you'll get what you pay for, cheap. I've been with DirecTV since 1995. Back then they provided better equipment and service and still do today. A friend of mine recently went with DISH with their version of "horns and whistles" and asked me what I thought. I told him it would make a nice segment on "Antique Road Show"!
     
  19. Jun 30, 2010 #99 of 135
    RAD

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    Dripping...
    I have a feeling that come a year from when they actually launch service, if not sooner, ExtreameHD will not be in business.
     
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    That's what I was thinking. If VOOM as an HD only service couldn't make it as a concept what really makes ExtreameHD think they can up against the big two DBS providers?

    Is this promise of a "Pre-Fetched Entertainment" ("PFE") transport technology, 1080P (I assume at 24 Hz frame rate) native programming, three OTA ATSC tuners, and home media Server network topology really going to make a difference to prevent them from threading the same path to eventual desolation VOOM did?:rolleyes:
     

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