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What good was D12

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by s57061b, Nov 11, 2010.

  1. Nov 12, 2010 #61 of 214

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    Hallelujah I say...hallelujah. :D
  2. Nov 12, 2010 #62 of 214

    hilmar2k Hall Of Fame

    Mar 18, 2007
    Well, Comcast, TWC, Cablevision and Dish all carry them (BBC, AMC, and IFC). That seems awfully close to "all", doesn't it?
  3. Nov 12, 2010 #63 of 214

    adkinsjm Icon

    Mar 25, 2003
    FIOS? Mediacom? CableOne? Midcontinent?
  4. Nov 12, 2010 #64 of 214
    Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    To be fair .. most of the hype was here @ DBSTalk. We had a year-long thread waiting for it's arrival. While I haven't followed closely, I think DIRECTV has technically done what they've said .. BUT .. it's of little solace for those that haven't been able to watch the programming that they want to watch as they are still waiting.

    I get it .. D12 has been a disappointment to some folks.
  5. Nov 12, 2010 #65 of 214
    Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    Let's stick with D12 disappointment in this thread .. HD anticipation should go in the master thread.
  6. Nov 12, 2010 #66 of 214

    hilmar2k Hall Of Fame

    Mar 18, 2007
    Didn't check FIOS. Midcontinent has 200k subs and CableOne has 720k subs. Not sure how many Mediacom has, but they are nowhere near the size of the ones I mentioned. Hell, there are hundfreds of little guys I left out. I am only comparing DIRECTV to the major players (though I admittedly omitted FIOS).
  7. Nov 12, 2010 #67 of 214

    hilmar2k Hall Of Fame

    Mar 18, 2007
    Um, the lack of the channels I listed is my D12 disappointment. Not sure how I could be more on topic.
  8. Nov 12, 2010 #68 of 214

    je4755 Godfather

    Dec 11, 2006
    The trajectory of the various D12 threads closely reflects posts advanced in D11 discussions. It is patent DirecTV’s post-Murdoch management simply ascribes less importance to basic national HD channels than many of its competitors, thereby accounting for difficulties in consummating contracts not encountered by others. I am disappointed by many aspects of DirecTV: absence of HD LIL in my DMA, failure to offer national channels available from Dish and continuing problems with audio dropouts, for example. Yet all is trumped – at least for me – by NFL:ST and other sports packages.
  9. Nov 12, 2010 #69 of 214

    hilmar2k Hall Of Fame

    Mar 18, 2007
    I could not agree more with that. While I have a few complaints (you listed them pretty well), I am still overall satisfied with DIRECTV....mostly because I am an out-of-market sports fan.

    I'm still disappointed with some major holes in the HD offerings and was really expecting them to be filled with D12 (had to get D12 in there to stay on topic ;)).
  10. Nov 12, 2010 #70 of 214

    thelucky1 Icon

    Feb 23, 2009
    When someone is choosing between providers, the number 1 category the "average" consumer looks at (when comparing providers) is the actual list of basic HD channels provided.

    Not Sports, (these days with Netflix) not PPV, not even premiums, just the basic HD channel list. Directv no longer is the leader in the basic HD category and has been a disappoint for more than "some".

    Choosing a provider by the basic HD channel list is by far the number 1 factor in making a provider decision for the average consumer.

    This is based on market research my company has done for dealers in numerous markets. Just sharing some information...that's all! :D

    Yes I know and understand Directv makes a lot of money with PPV, Sports...etc.
  11. Nov 12, 2010 #71 of 214

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    TWC in Dallas doesn't carry BBCA-HD or IFC-HD.
  12. Nov 12, 2010 #72 of 214
    KK in CT

    KK in CT Legend

    Jul 13, 2010
    [ Watch what happens to Dish rates over the next 90 days or so, now that they succumbed to paying the higher Fox prices and despite venver restoring some of the Disney group channels...some of us don't see the value in those channels to be held hostage for a random pet program here and there on AMC HD or BBCHD, thank you.[/QUOTE]

    So you don't think DirecTV will be raising rates in the next 90-120 days or so like they usually do every year? Or maybe you're saying Dish's rates will increase by a much higher percentage than DirecTV's.
  13. Nov 12, 2010 #73 of 214

    hilmar2k Hall Of Fame

    Mar 18, 2007
    Yeah but I don't live in Dalls. ;)
  14. Nov 12, 2010 #74 of 214

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    You should be careful to note that you're talking about HD LIL if that's what your beef is (and I assume that it is). I don't think it is reasonable to assume that D12 impacted your eligibility for HD LIL since you were receiving HD LIL before D12. Ka band hasn't turned out to be all that some reasoned/hoped it would be.

    Such is not to say that you don't have a huge beef with losing your HD LIL -- you most certainly do. You are a victim of poor short-term (hopefully) planning on DIRECTV's part.
  15. Nov 12, 2010 #75 of 214

    sunking Godfather

    Feb 17, 2004
    This has nothing to do with FCC regulations. It has to do with zipcodes that are on the fringe of the used spotbeam. Directv's granularity stops at zipcode. If they don't feel an entire (for some definition of entire) zipcode can reliably receive a signal then they don't offer it to anyone because it's not possible for them to determine eligibility over the phone. It's simply to avoid a customer service nightmare. It's easier for them just to say, 'sorry, your zipcode doesn't have it available'. If it were an FCC thing then the SD channels would be unavailable as well.
  16. Nov 12, 2010 #76 of 214

    SPACEMAKER Freethinker

    Dec 11, 2007
    Mason, MI
    Other than the most ardent of "fanboys" (I hate that term but it fits here) most everyone seems to be at least a little disappointed in D12. But this is a situation where there is no better option for me. If there were I'd be gone in a second as I don't harbor any emotional loyalty to any company. I just want what I want.
  17. Nov 12, 2010 #77 of 214
    Carl Spock

    Carl Spock Superfly

    Sep 3, 2004
    Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skulls was a bigger disappointment. ;)

    I've gone down to a slow burn on this one. I've checked my options and while I could get HD from either my phone or cable company, each have very few HD channels and none that DirecTV doesn't provide. My only alternative would be to add Dish and that seems stupid. I can't switch because their lower HD resolution would bother me.

    Now that's a really lovely feeling to have for a company - stewing resentment. :nono:
  18. Nov 12, 2010 #78 of 214

    Garry Legend

    Jul 4, 2006
    They are a business and therefore make business decisions. You and others may not like their decisions and are free to go to another provider.

    Other services might provide the channels you want but not other channels that others want. The choice is there.
  19. Nov 12, 2010 #79 of 214
    Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    I can honestly say that the stuff I personally wanted showed up as a result of D12, so on a personal level .. I'm not disappointed in D12 at all (ESPNU-HD, CSNBA-HD). I think it rocks. That can't be said of everyone, though.
  20. Nov 12, 2010 #80 of 214

    Sixto Well-Known Member

    Nov 18, 2005
    From the status thread ...

    DirecTV-12 Utilization - assuming 80 "slots" (5 per transponder):

    [table="head"]D12 Count|Description (link to transponder map)
    22|Network HD (including 3 RSN)
    14|Cinema HD
    2|3D (Cinema, n3D)
    2|SD (GEB, Free Speech) - could be further utilized
    1|"Demo" - added prior to CEDIA Expo (9/22/2010)
    5|TEST - 9768-9772 added to guide data in February

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