What happens if I put a 1TB SSD in my HR44-700?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Rich, Aug 14, 2018.

  1. Jun 7, 2019 #361 of 657
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    That's the way I did it but my HD isn't knew. I thought I would just test things with a regular HD before I bought a SSD
     
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    Jump in and buy one like some of us did. You likely will be happy that you did. I started a couple of months ago after Rich’s suggestion, after interrogating his results, and I am extremely happy with the performance on my 24’s since.

    I’m not doing my 54 at this point because I’ve already got double 6TB drives on those, and the big SSD’s get pricey...a little out of my range for our needs.
     
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  3. Jun 8, 2019 #363 of 657
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    I don't think this has any to do with SSD.

    DirecTV has been progressively (and frustratingly) slowing-down remote DVR access for the last several years.

    When I first got the HR44 a few years back, I was amazed I could access recordings from an old HR21 and have almost better trickplay than from that DVR itself!

    For some reason though, things have slowed way down through MRV and one has to be much more patient these days. (Actually been that way to me for a couple years, more dramatically in the last year or so).

    I still very much like the SSD, and it has really breathed new life into an ageing DVR.

    (If you still really think it's the SSD, you could always try putting HDDs back in and see if your "delays" have improved.)
     
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    I haven't done anything about the delays but complain about them. I do use a 24-100 that has an HDD in it and I do see the delays on that.

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  5. Jun 8, 2019 #365 of 657
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    I should also have added that conventional FF/RW through the network are more or less unusable without a significant wait. Pause/play, no problem.

    Best way to FF/RW is to only use 30SKIP and Replay buttons (or skip to next/previous tick mark).

    Through the network I find that the skip ahead and replay button pushes will "stack" quite nicely.

    (For example: 6 quick 30SKIP pushes will advance 3 minutes and not have to wait more than a second or two.)

    I also think there could be a tendency to be "spoiled" by the relative quick-access of material from the online "streamers," as they start almost instantly while we're still waiting 10-20 seconds for a DVR to begin a local network stream!

    It definitely was not this bad a few years ago. It's been slowed way down for some reason, IMO most likely D* "bloatware."
     
  6. Jun 9, 2019 #366 of 657
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    I put my first SSD on the 44 about 10 months ago. A couple months later I had 3 HRs with SSDs. That's when I started noticing the delays when using MRV. I've been blaming the software for years and as soon as I started using SSDs all those problems went away. But you might have a point, I have no idea why I'm seeing those delays.

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    Yesterday afternoon I turned on my HR44-700 for the first time in a couple days. I got a window that said, "Your Storage Device is Broken (words to that effect)!". Thought the SSD had gone South. Rebooted the 44 and all was well. Used it a bit last night and had no problems. Thought I might have a problem with the internal drive and tried rebooting the 44 without the SSD this morning. When I tried to turn the 44 on the front panel didn't light up. Had to do an RBR. The 44 came up as it should, the internal drive seems to be OK. Switched back to the SSD and that came up as it should.

    I'm not sure what's going on. I ran the system test and the only error was the telephone line wasn't connected.

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    Was there an error number ? It might have been a message from the SSD itself ?
     
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    Nope just a big message that said something about the HDD being "broken". Odd message. No error number. Not sure what the exact message was, I was more worried about what was happening at the time.
    Both the SSD and the internal HDD are working correctly. Whatever it was a reboot seems to have corrected it. Just the idea of getting a message that anything was "broken" seems odd. Wish I would have taken a picture of it but it all happened so fast...

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    Usually when the HDD goes south and you reboot, the nag that comes on the screen indicates ‘there’s a problem with the storage device’, not the sentence that says it’s broken. That’s a new one for me too Rich, after 15 years of futzing with DVR’s.
     
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    I know for sure that my Seagate HDD put a message on my screen of my desktop computer about 2 years ago that said my hard drive was failing and I needed to back up my files. I searched the web and it said this was firmware located in the hard drive.

    I found this on the web when I searched for SSD Broken.
    SSD Corrupted or Broken?! Please read :(
     
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    Happened again yesterday. Definitely said "Your Hard Drive is Broken". Also allowed me to use other HRs for viewing on the 44 over MRV. I've never lost a drive on the 44 and I have no idea what the message should be or if this is new. I'm having a hard time believing the 1TB SSD is at fault. Each time this has happened I've rebooted and the 44 starts working properly.

    So, I decided to switch to the newest Thermaltake dock, figuring a bad dock would/might cause the 44 to "think" the drive was bad. Hope it's that simple. So far the newer dock is working properly and the 44 hasn't crashed. Put the new dock on last night. If that doesn't help I have the new 2TB drive in hand and will put that on the 44 and put the 1TB SSD on another 24 and see if the same thing happens to the 24. Interesting problem.

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    Thanks for the link. I saw this on one of the posts: SSDs are quite different from mechanical storage. When they fail, they fail, and you can't do anything about it. It is pure electronics inside. Reformat cannot help here since the drive isn't recognised correctly at all, meaning that its controller likely failed.

    The 1TB SSD did not fail catastrophically as this post would have me believe. That gives me hope that the dock is the cause. Gonna take a day or two to make that determination. I can use the 44 in the normal manner, nothing seems to be adversely affected. I hope it's just a bad dock, that dock has to be from 2008-9, I would think, and was used heavily as were all my docks.

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    Rich, before you get to the point of putting the SSD inside the 44 if necessary, check the max operating temp for the SSD per MFR instructions. It can get pretty hot in those DVR’s, and the standard HD’s can dissipate heat better than the SSD’s.

    When I put one of my first SSD’s in my 24, I think it suffered a little heat damage and started to freeze/pixelate quite heavily after about two weeks. The variable speed fan inside the DVR was fine, but because of the hardware change along with thermostat readings/operation, it didn’t perform air circulation properly. Just my experience after trying it once.
     
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    I don't want to put an SSD in any of my HRs. You've just given me another reason not to, good info. The 44 has been working as it should since I put the "new" dock on it with the 1TB SSD that seemed problematic. If this keeps up I will have to buy another dock. I'll let the 44 run for at least a week and if I don't see that "Your Hard Drive Is Broken" message again I will look for another dock.

    About that message: I like it! Makes me hope they (D*) do away with numbered error messages and just plain tell folks what the problem is. "Your Internal Fan Has Expired" would tell me much more than some obscure error number.

    Back to the "bad" dock. As I said, I'll wait a week and if I don't get that message again I'll assume the "old" dock is shot and go forward. If I get the message I'll give up on the 1TB SSD and put the new 2TB drive on the 44. I hope I don't have to do that. I don't see anything else I can do, there's nothing else that I can think of to do except try a different eSATA to SATA cord and I don't think there's anything wrong with that cord. I'm reasonably sure there's nothing wrong with the 1TB SSD either...I hope.

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    The dock I put on the 44 the other day seems to be working fine. I'm gonna put the dock I think is bad on a 24-100 and see if the same thing happens. I hope it happens in the same way. What I have to wonder about is will I see the usual error message or the "Your Hard Drive is Broken!" message?

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    Gets even better, I put the dock in question on my 24-100 with a new 2TB SSD in the dock and I have not seen one warning about the hard drive being broken nor have I seen an error message about the storage device. Meanwhile the 1TB SSD that was in the dock in question is working perfectly in the new dock. What the hell happened? Is there something about the 44s and docks that I don't know about? I'm pretty sure I'll get that same issue if I swap the problematic back to the 44. At this point I'm almost certain there's no problem related to the SSDs. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated, I have nothing. I'm stumped. As usual...

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    I would agree with you Rich. It may be a quirk in the 44 with that specific dock. I have a TT dock in my 54 for over two years now and no issues. In fact, I haven’t had a single Dock issue ever, especially with so many that I have in any of my DVR’s. I’d say ride it out and ding if you have any new issues.
     
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    Pretty sure it is the "bad" dock that is causing this but I'd sure like to know why. Yeah, my docks have been pretty trouble free over the years. Using an HDD in them caused most of the issues I had and the SSDs don't seem to have any problems with the docks. Ridiculously easy to use an SSD in a dock compared to using an HDD in a dock. No connectivity problems at all with an SSD. I did have some issues with the Power buttons on a couple docks but quickly found out that was an ongoing problem with the TT docks at the time. They seem to have fixed that problem.

    I'm tempted to switch the docks again just see if I get that warning again. Pretty sure I would.

    Rich
     
  20. Jul 8, 2019 #380 of 657
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    Just got an HR54 (with a C61K) several days ago. It is noticeably quicker than the old HR24 we had on it. I wouldn't mine spending "some" bucks on a SSD. Not really looking for capacity but even more snappiness. Any cons adding an external SSD?
     

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