What happens if I put a 1TB SSD in my HR44-700?

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  1. 242424

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    Here's the one I bought

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  2. Rich

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    Does that cable fit into your dock? Or are you having problems connecting to both the eSATA and SATA ports? I have one on my SATA cables in my hand and your cable connectors seem to be a bit larger than mine. Let me check Amazon...look at this cable from the same maker: https://www.amazon.com/SATA-VANDESA...ii+cables&qid=1563555605&s=electronics&sr=1-5.

    That cable seems more like the cable I have in my hand. I've had this/these cables for quite a few years. Note the cable you bought is for SATA 3 and the cable in the link is for SATA 2. Not sure if they are backwards compatible...let me check on that...hmm. Some say they are backwards compatible, some don't. The cable I linked to above looks like the cable I have in my hand. You might want to send yours back and try the cable I linked to above.

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    Wow! None of the cables I'm looking at look like my SATA cables. Connector-wise, I mean. Slight differences but enough to make me wonder if any of them would fit our HRs.

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  4. 242424

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    Yeah it fits in the dock alright. Too late to send it back, I pried off the the lock in case that was keeping it from fitting :D I'll look more into it later, kind of busy for the next few weeks. Thanks
     
  5. Rich

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    No, don't send it back. If the connector fits in the eSATA port it should fit in the SATA port. You might have a damaged SATA port on the HR. You did try both ends of the cable in the eSATA port right? Both fit? There is no physical difference in those two ports, what fits in one will/should fit in the other.

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  6. 242424

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    You probably won't believe this but here goes anyway.......Even though the port on the HR24 says SATA it's an eSATA port. I plugged an eSATA to eSATA cable into it to make sure. Didn't work though, my dock just beeps and it boots to the internal HD.
     
  7. unixguru

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    Technically, SATA and eSATA are electrically the same but they are physically different. See https://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-eSATA-Transition-P952-003/dp/B00119P6SU

    The "SATA port", as an external connector, is an eSATA port. A "SATA port" should only exist for internal connections and is what a raw drive has.

    The red cable looks to me like an eSTAT to SATA cable. Despite what the label on the boxes say, they should both be eSTAT ports so you need an eSATA to eSATA cable. If you look at the Amazon link you will see that true SATA has an L-shaped slot.
     
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    In the link the connector on the right is what the connectors are supposed to look like. Here's a link to an eSATA to eSATA cable, which is, I think, the proper cable. That is exactly what my cables look like. Thanx for the link, I had no idea the cables were supposed to be eSATA to eSATA. All the cables I have are the cables that came with the docks. I like days that I learn something new. Thanx again.

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    Okay, this is the cable you want. Never had to buy one, all the cables I have came with the docks. Here's the link: https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com...&s=gateway&sprefix=esata+to+es,aps,137&sr=8-4

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  10. 242424

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    Yeah I had one of those. Like I said my dock just beeps and it boots to the internal drive. I may try some other stuff at another time, I was just seeing if i could get it to boot on a 2.5" drive i had before I shelled out the $$ for a SSD
     
  11. b4pjoe

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    Make sure you unplug the DVR. Plug the drive in and let it spin up completely and then plug in the DVR and see if it will then boot off the external.
     
  12. 242424

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    Thanks, I did that. I don't get the beeping of the dock? Crazy

    Edit:

    Here's what I have

    Thermaltake BlacX ST0005U SATA Hard Drive Docking Station eSata & USB2
     
  13. jimmie57

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    I have never done this but read a lot of posts about it.
    I did not try to read all past posts.
    Question: Did you unplug the HR from the 120 volt power, then start up the external drive with the cable connected and let it spin for a couple of minutes and then plug the HR back into the power ?
     
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    Maybe not a couple minutes but I did power up the dock first.
     
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  15. unixguru

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    It is unfortunately confusing. The SATA connector was not originally intended to have an external form. The internal SATA shape is designed for hot-plug, at least in enterprise uses (and BTW is also used by SAS drives).

    Then somebody decided it would be cool to externalize SATA and they invented the eSATA variant. I don't recall (and am to lazy to research) why it was decided that it had to be physically different. I suppose because external cables are subject to more abuse. Maybe a difference in retention spring/clip.

    Then vendors (D* included) came along and stuck a "SATA" label on an eSATA port. o_O

    External eSATA drive enclosures (and docks) would correctly assume that they would be plugging into eSATA and would therefore provide cables for that.

    Note that anyone that wants to temporarily (?!) connect a bare drive directly would need the eSATA <-> SATA cable.
     
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    Docks with HDDs in them seem to have difficulties connecting to the HRs at times. You might try another HDD if you have one.

    One of the perks you get when using an SSD in these docks is how easily the connection between the HR and the dock is made.

    You might have a bad dock, that beep is something I've never heard. If you stick an SSD in that dock you should know right away if the dock is good or bad. If it can't connect it's the dock. Every failure I've had has been caused by the Power button on the back. They fail open and it's really not worth trying to jump the switch out. That hasn't happened for a few years.

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    Thanks, great post. I don't recall ever having a bad SATA cable and if I had to order one I would have done the same thing. This is the first I've heard of this and I read damn near every post about external drives. So, nobody ever bought one before the purchase noted here in this thread? Amazing.

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  18. Delroy E Walleye

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    If memory serves, I think P Smith used to mention the eSATA to SATA cable which could be used on an enclosure where a drive could be externally-powered by the enclosure and then one could "fish" the SATA end directly through a hole in the enclosure to the HDD.

    (To be used in the situation of not being able to find an enclosure with an eSATA port.)
     
  19. Rich

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    I do remember him talking about that. Didn't pay any attention to it, always bought enclosures that had the proper port and they all came with the right cables. Take a few of the HRs apart and it becomes pretty obvious that would work. If you were gonna do that wouldn't it be easier to just mount the HDD in the HR itself?

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  20. Delroy E Walleye

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    I suppose it would be (on the modern HRs with clips at least). Maybe not so much with the older ones (with all the safety torx and whatnot)...

    Other than the 44, I've never opened an HR.

    Docks are the best, I think (certainly the most convenient).

    I've got an aluminum enclosure (with eSATA) I haven't tried on an HR yet. Linked somewhere in this thread. I've tried it USB on a PC and it's pretty slick.

    If I ever get the 44 going again I'd probably use it there with an SSD.

    In the meantime if I wanted to I suppose I could test that aluminum job on the old HR that has the dock with the SSD there to make sure it works...
     

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