What happens if I put a 1TB SSD in my HR44-700?

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  1. Rich

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    Takes me no more than a half hour to put in internal HDD in any HR. Hard the first time and then it get a lot easier. Getting the top off is the hardest part.

    Stick an SSD in that enclosure and put it on an old HR...boy, are you in for a surprise!

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    It's been eleven months since I started this thread. I have nothing negative to say about the SSDs. The first SSD went on my 44 and that DVR is running so well that I use it frequently. Was using it a couple days ago and noticed the SSD was almost full. I looked at the meter on the bottom of the Playlist and saw I only had 9% left. Not one indication of that on the 44 at all, no video or audio breakups. I had no idea it was that full.
    Last time that happened it was about 75% full and I had all kinds of problems and that was with a 3TB HDD internal drive. I always had problems with the 44 that I blamed on software and the broadcasts. Now the problems are gone.

    I do have issues with the 24-200. It tends to skip to the end of recordings for no reason. Always did that no matter what kind of drive I had on it. Other than that it runs well. I don't think I can blame that on the SSDs, I have had that problem on some HRs and the problem goes away. Never could figure out what to do about it. PITA when watching a ball game. Point is, putting an SSD in an HR will solve a lot of problems but not all of them. I've swapped SSDs on that 24-200 and the same thing happens, it skips to the end of a recording randomly for no reason that I can see. It was doing the same thing when I had a 2TB HDD on it.

    I recently put a 2TB SSD (WD Blue SSD) on one of our 24-100s that was getting slow and that is running really well. When the prices go down I might put 2TBs on all the 24s and I should stick one on the 44. Kinda upset me when I found the drive almost full, boxing matches are recorded for 6 hours and I need more room for them.

    All in all, I'm satisfied. I keep thinking I could have done the same thing with new HDDs but I put a new 3TB in the 44 the day I got it and I still had problems with the 44 from that point on.

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    It's just over a year since I put the 1TB EVO in my 44 and the 44 is still working better than ever. Still no audio drops or issues with pixies. Doesn't seem to matter how full the SSD is. No complaints. Well worth every penny I spent on it.

    I mentioned the problems I was having with my 24-200 in a previous post. I didn't think the problems were caused by the 500 GB drive on it but I was worried about that. Ended up taking the 500 GB SSD off my 24-500 and putting it on the 24-200. Put the 200's SSD on the 24-500. Still have the same issue with the 24-200, pretty sure neither SSD is causing those issues. Just a wonky 24-200.

    I have no complaints. If I still recorded a lot of programming I'd spring for 2TB WD Blue SSDs and put one on every HR. The HRs run so well using SSDs...well, you have to see it to appreciate it. I really like the 2TB WD Blue I put on a slow 24-100, seems to be the best drive out of the four I've bought performance wise.

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    Or does it seem better because it's the biggest SSD I have? Serious question, I have no idea what the proper answer is.

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    I think I mentioned in the past-

    For those of us who can legally change HDD's in our DVR's without going to DirecTV TOS jail, I removed the locking mechanisms/clips in my HR24's and 54 long ago and put them in a plastic bag in storage. I can swap a hard drive faster than it takes to boot up a DirecTV DVR, even if I boot up one with a SSD. :)
     
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    I remember. I was gonna do that and then I found out how easy it is to use an SSD in a dock and I never plan on opening up another HR. Really wish you would have told us about the clips a few years ago. Yeah, with the clips off changing an HDD would be a breeze.

    That 2TB WD Blue SSD I put in a 24-100 really seems to be the best SSD I have. Could that be because it's the only 2TB SSD I have on the HRs? Does size matter that much?

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  7. J Blow

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    So, great information. I'm going to do this to my HR44 first to see if I can speed up multiple units.

    This is probably pretty basic but why does an external drive seem to shut off the internal drive completely? I always thought an external drive just added space to the DVR, not replaced it. I must have been wrong about that.

    So, I just need to get e-sata dock and plug in any old SSD? Sounds easy.
     
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    You can use only one HDD at a time. If you go with the external setup, your new recordings will be on the external drive (of course). However, if you unplug the external drive and reboot your DVR, the DVR will use your older internal drive again. You could do this to catch up on the recordings you have in there currently.
     
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    If you had the SD D* Tivos I can understand the confusion about the HDDs adding to each other. On the Tivos we could put an extra HDD in them and they would produce a single Playlist. In other words they added to each other. With the HRs we lost that. With the HRs the internal drive just sits there. Used to be able to take them out and the HRs would be fine. Don't think we can do that anymore.

    Yes, you need an external device and I'd recommend a dock. I prefer the Thermaltake docks but they stopped making them in the eSATA form. You can still buy them on eBay and Amazon. They're gonna be used or reconditioned. Don't let that put you off, there's not much that can go wrong with them. Or you can hunt thru the offerings on Amazon for a device with an eSATA port on it. You must have the eSATA port on any external device.

    Yeah, any SSD should work. And it's a lot easier to connect an SSD to an HR than it is to connect an HDD to an HR. If you have to buy an SSD try a Blue WD. I have one and it really works well with one of my 24s. Impressive drive.

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    Great...thanks for the information. I tried to find some other information elsewhere about doing this (not that it would likely change my mind) and read of a couple other people that have done this before....like there was one guy with years on his drive. Everyone agreed it was faster, which brought me to this article from solid signal - you've probably seen it:

    By now, you probably know that you can use an external hard drive with a DIRECTV DVR by connecting it to the eSATA port on the back of the DVR. The external takes the place of the internal drive, meaning that you can’t use both at the same time. So, in order to get your money’s worth, you’d need to replace that internal 500GB or 1TB drive with something larger, right? So, using an SSD suddenly becomes an impossibly expensive proposition if you’re talking about 2 or 4TB of space.

    Not only that, the faster drive isn’t going to speed up your DVR, unfortunately. Slow DVRs tend to be a result of slow processors, not slow drives. The rate at which information is read or written to the drive is tied to real time. In other words you can’t write stuff faster than it comes to you over the satellite, right? Yes, you might have noticed the DVR seem to bog down a little bit while recording five things and playing back three things, and yes to a certain extent that is probably due a little bit to the hard drive, but it’s mostly the processor trying to handle eight things at once. A faster drive isn’t going to help as much as you think it will.

    Not only that, SSDs aren’t terribly good at the kind of file transfers that DVRs use a lot of… very small file chunks that get read, written, and deleted quickly. That sort of transfer is actually better suited for a good, old-fashioned hard drive.

    So, save your money… don’t worry about replacing the drive in your DVR with an SSD.

    So, again, this isn't going to deter me but I've seen so many people that just dismiss this idea before even trying it. I don't get why.

    So, before purchasing a drive, I started wondering why I need to get the dock versus just getting an external drive? Is it the connection? Has to be a cable for that, right?


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    Looks like many external SSDs have a USB-C connection, so just need this, right?

    https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com...+to+esata&qid=1567032768&s=electronics&sr=1-3
     
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  11. J Blow

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    By the way, someone on here posted (seemingly stating from belief versus actually trying it) that you can't use a smaller drive than what was originally in your unit. Is that true in this case? I don't get why it would be if it's simply starting over fresh.

    Finally, what about those docks that have 2 slots? I know they are used for cloning but is there any way to connect elsewhere and utilize both of those drives?
     
  12. b4pjoe

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    I use an external drive instead of a dock on my HR24. As long as it has an eSata connection it will work.

    No an SSD isn't going to play content any faster. What it does though is display the user interface faster. It is a noticeable difference with button presses on the remote to display the screen content (menus, guide, list, etc...) faster.

    Docks with two slots....it will only use one drive. Not sure which it would choose. Could be it might confuse the DVR and it would give up and use the internal HDD.
     
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    First issue, what I highlighted above. The HRs are slow because most of them have old HDDs in them. Put a new HDD in one and they become much quicker. This is real life, not speculation. Put an SSD in one and they act like they are brand new. This is a real life experience, not speculation. I have seen this time and time again, it's not my imagination.

    That cable converter you linked to won't work. You need a device with an eSATA port on it. They come with the proper cabling.

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    You can use any size SSD in your HRs. Smaller than original doesn't matter. Same can be said for HDDs. If you use one on a 24 that exceeds 2TB it should still work but won't use more than 2TBs.

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    Wanted to report that my Samsung 840 1TB SSD in the external enclosure is still running strong with no issues after 1 year of use.
     
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    Great, so are mine. No audio drops, no pixies...life is good...and the HRs are quick. One more time, got a slow HR? They can be fixed, don't give up on them.

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    I've seen that screen all too much
     
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    How you making out with that website? Been awhile.

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    PM Me :). Miss being on here. Its been a while. Ive been messing with couple of HR24's
     

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