What happens when I add 2 HR24s and an Hr44 (9 tuners) to a SWM8?

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  1. slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

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    Are you sure it is a SWM8? Maybe it is a SWM16, and you are sharing your whole home with someone else? Try adding a BSF to the incoming coax in front of your splitter.
     
  2. Sherlocc

    Sherlocc Cool Member

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    They definitely installed a SWM8 for my connection. I am sharing with nobody.
     
  3. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

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    Well that limit is odd never ever heard of it before so I wonder if something else is up. Can you draw a schematic showing how it's hooked up working and not working so we can ponder what else could be happening?
     
  4. peds48

    peds48 Genius.

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    Definitely there is something amiss here as you can have one DVR plus 6 HDs all sharing whole home just fine.


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  5. Sherlocc

    Sherlocc Cool Member

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    I have been told that there is a limit of five active streaming paths from the Genie. Where a streaming path is taken up for every video streamed from the Genie's recorded list to a whole home device and a streaming path for each connected mini (max of three minis).. It doesn't seem unreasonable that by the same token there might be a limit on how many whole home devices and or minis can be involved in the first place on a SWM8. In my case, it seems to be six. And the limit is some higher number for a SWM 16.

    As to my configuration. I have a SWM splitter that drives my Living room receivers and a second one that drives the rest of the household. They are each driven by one of the output legs of my SWM 16 when connected to my dish. The only difference with the condo dish setup is that the single coax SWM 8 coming in goes to an additional SWM splitter that then drives the two aforementioned SWM splitters. In both cases the external device configuration is identical and requires just eight tuners. This supports of an HR44, an HR24 with two tuners, an HR22 with one tune, and plus four minis.

    When attached to the SWM 16, there was no problem. When attached to the SWM 8, the HR24 fell off the Whole Home network. Turning off sharing on the HR22 allowed the HR24 to be incorporated into Whole Home.

    In summary, the only difference in the two basic configurations is the SWM8 needed an additional splitter to drive the rest of the network.

    Jack
     
  6. slice1900

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    Did you try powering off all of your receivers when you switch from your SWM16 to the condo SWM8? Maybe they are becoming confused by that change and everything needs to be powered off when you do that to avoid the confusion.
     
  7. Sherlocc

    Sherlocc Cool Member

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    Does anybody here have experience with a configuration that starts with a SWM 8 and has any combination of seven devices (not tuners) working through Whole Home in any combination of minis or receivers? In my case, I have success with four minis and two DVRs. But it didn't handle four minis and three DVRs. It works fine with a SWM 16 but not a SWM 8.

    All I know is when I took an HR22 off Whole Home sharing, whole home picked up tmy primary shared receivers. I have not tried putting the HR22 back, as its sharing is unimportant and I wish to allow the system to settle down and see what other issues might surface over time. I have about a month to shake the SWM 8 based system down and my SWM 16 based personal dish must come down.

    Jack
     
  8. carl6

    carl6 Moderator Staff Member DBSTalk Club

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    A Genie is capable of streaming THREE (not 5) external streams at any given time. Those can be any combination of live TV to clients or recorded shows to clients or other whole-home devices. A Genie has five tuners. Three of those tuners can be streamed out to clients at any given time (assuming nothing else is being streamed out), and 2 of the tuners are for local use. If not otherwise used, all 5 tuners can be used to record.

    Your setup of an HR44, an HR24, an HR22 (set to single tuner mode), and 4 minis should work just fine on an SWM8 LNB or multiswitch. Make sure all of the splitters being used are green label DirecTV splitters.

    If all of your coax wiring goes back to a single point, you might consider using fewer splitters. A single 8 port splitter will do the job (with one port left over).

    Also, for purposes of testing (if you haven't already done so), try running your system off a single output of your SWM16. That should functionally be the same as running it off an SWM8.
     
  9. Sherlocc

    Sherlocc Cool Member

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    To all:

    I have completed this project, I believe.Having reduced from fifteen tuners down to eight by by installing four clients, I now have successful access to both my dish via the SWM 16 and the Condo dish via their SWM 8 infrastructure. The dish will have to come down in Early October due to our major construction project. I will reinstall it next Spring. Attached is a configuration drawing of what I have done.

    Notes:
    1.The two switches allow allow me to select either the SWM 16 or SWM 8 to drive my distribution network. I am now running with the switches set for access to the Condo SWM 8 and all is well.
    2. The guest room HR 21 access to the SWM 16 bypasses the switches and is always active as long as my personal dish is installed. This HR21 is connected to a LAN router allowing me to see a library of recorded old movies via Whole Home even though this DVR is not attached to the SW 8.
    3. I had limited success with with Whole Home for this HR21 with a LAN connection and no SWM connection (fallout of the 8 tuner limitation). It seemed to work for a while, and then the HR21 would drop off the Whole Home network. We even watched a movie one night with this configuration. The next morning the HR21 had dropped off the network. I now have it attached to the SWM16 just so this does not happen.
    4. Whatever the problem that we discussed previously that limited the number of streaming devices is a non event at this point. I returned the last DVR to "share mode" on Whole Home and everything has worked now for a couple of days.
    5. A side benefit of all this is that this configuration will allow me to always have backup access to DirectV via the condo infrastructure. If I have failures on my system (an LNB or whatever), I will always be able to switch to the Condo system by pushing two buttons.

    Thanks again for all your expert assistance,

    One happy camper,

    Jack
     

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