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What if we turn into a anti E site too?

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Bob Haller, Jan 25, 2003.

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  1. TimL

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    Chris:
    Just read the postings over at DBS Forums..seems such old news. I don't want to feel like I have to choose one forum over the other. I'll be E-mailing you shortly about something. Just to give you a heads up

    Tim Lones
     
  2. Jacob S

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    There are two main satellite providers just like there are two main satellite forums. Just because there is another does not mean one is bad, or one is worse than the other. It just means that there are two forums, or services, that all serve the same purpose.

    I think the administration of these sites is part of what makes these sites possible. I remember reading on some alt sites a good while back where there was no administrators and things were not as well organized and well developed as these two sites are.

    If things were flames all of the time things would get off topic too much.

    Most news is bad news that you hear, not the good news. How about the good things that are happening? All of the local channels that have went up for people, having a pvr product available at all, the improvements that have been made, more features. Just because there is going to be bad things happening does not mean that there are not any good things happening either.

    Sometimes we dwell on the bad things too much and overlook the good things. We do have our opinions and others should be respected as well, but there is a limit to those and one cannot force someone else to think the same way and force opinions over on them.

    I do not come on here to flame, although if I feel that something is not right, I will mention it, and see if others do agree with me or not, because I want someone else's opinion too to see if it is just me or if it a common problem among others, not to try to force my opinions on others.

    I also come on here to try to find out information, keep up to date on things, and to help others out. This is a hobby for me, as well as a small business in which is what I enjoy to do. I may not put many systems in all the time but its what I like to do because I get to meet new people and make a little doing it because everyone has to make something. Whatever I do online is not for profit though and for hobby.
     
  3. Bob Haller

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    Is anyoine else concerned tha darrelB, bill r, myself and other long term E supporters are all very cncerned about the direction E is headed?
     
  4. FTA Michael

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    Chris et al,

    From my skewed perspective, the E* folks are split into two camps: Those who hate their DishPlayers, and those who don't own one. :)

    Seriously, as a SA Lifetime TiVo user, I read all the fuss about those darn boxes and it sounds like trying to keep Windows 3.0 from crashing. Users love the improvements but hate the erratic performance of the beast. If we could keep the DP complaints from leaking into the rest of discussions, that would reduce 60% of the acidity on the boards here. IMHO.

    Me, I'm here to listen to cool inside info, moan gently about my wish list, and try to share what little I've learned. Have a great week everybody!
     
  5. Jacob S

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    Yes, I am concerned about where E* is heading and things are just not as they were. I do agree with you Bob on that. Charlie used to have more excitement in the industry as a hobby but now it seems to be more about money. He had some excitement when it came to a merger, but it was also excitement not only of new technology but of money as well. I have seen a BIG change with E* since 1997 to now. When did things take a turn to be like this? I think when someone gets from small to big this is what happens in almost every case.

    Charlie wanting to sell the company should show you that its more about money than it used to be. I think he did this for more of a hobby before than he does now. When this stuff was new it was exciting but the excitement is gone because satellite is the norm now. When something comes out for the first time it is exciting but then you get spoiled by it.

    I was a long-term E* supporter but after what they are not trying to pull on me as a retailer, CSR's badmouthing me to customers and lying as well, and all of these other things going on, I do not think the same anymore. I still like how they set things up with programming and so forth but its their customer service and corporate dealings that need fixing.
     
  6. Scott Greczkowski

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    One thing that upsets me and that I find quite slanderous is what Dan Collins has posted at DBS Forums (Quoted below)

    Has ANYONE here gotten an email like mentioned above from any of the staff here at DBSTalk.COM?

    I have asked Dan for a copy of these message but have received NOTHING.

    How many people have we written to privately to get them in contact with eaither provider to help them out? I know we have done this with quite a few but never EVER do I know where any staff member have asked ANYONE to stop being so crucial of Echostar.

    Up until this point I have not know Dan Collins to be a liar. Its sad that he seems to be one now.
     
  7. Jacob S

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    Well I think whatever differences there are should be settled. I remember I had said certain things before and Dan had gotten onto me about it but he had a right to because I had mentioned it the wrong way and apologized for that.

    Opinions are opinions. I think one can go overbored on opinions though but as long as the opinions are not lies.
     
  8. Cheyenne

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    Perhaps Dan C. has a hidden agenda?
     
  9. Jacob S

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    Now now, lets not assume things, that is what causes problems sometimes, people sometimes misunderstand taking things the wrong way. I am not for sure but I think a moderator quit on that site and I am not for sure what the reason was, it might have been because of some negativing, or another reason, I am not going to assume anything, but I know that there were others that quit coming on because of negative comments, even a mention of a lawsuit on one site because of things said.
     
  10. Nick

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    The...
    This whole thread is a waste. I am "overbored" with it.

    Bob Haller is enamored with the sound of his own voice. He thinks E* stinks because they don't 'listen' to him anymore. If his emails to D* are as flaky and incoherent as his forum posts, I can understand why they pay him no mind. He has no clue as to how to deal with people in order to get problems rectified. Ranting and raving and being a general pain in the ass won't win him any points in Littleton.
     
  11. George_F

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    I'm with you Nick!!!!

    I feel for Bob, apparently he has a problem or problems with receivers, but Damn, I'm getting tired of hearing him whine in every thread......He's dragging this forum down!!!!
    Bob, I highly recommend you switch to DirecTV, you will add years to your life.

    I own a Bed and Breakfast, I've probably owned 25 different Echostar receivers with no or very little problems, Echostars CSR's have been great. I would highly recommend Dish Network to my friends and family.

    Bob, don't worry about Echostars direction there heading, they will be just fine.........sheesh. :nono:
     
  12. johnsmith22

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    I have been with E* for a year now, the first couple of months with the 501 were problematical but now I find it does everything I want it to do and I don't have any of the horror stories we see so frequently here. In fact I find E* gives me what I want so even if I could move I would not even be contemplating it.

    I often wonder when I see the great winges about E* here and particularly on DBS Forums which definately has a management bias towards D* why the wingers don't just jump ship and move over to D*, why grin and bear something when you either dislike the service, have no faith in the equipment or despise the CEO?

    Perhaps the real reason is in their heart of hearts they know the grass is no greener on the other side, after all you are just a name in a computer to both companys.
     
  13. gcutler

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    Nick, Pretty harsh words. :(
     
  14. Jacob S

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    Maybe they do not want to pay for equipment to switch over seeing how much money they have in the pvr units or will not get superstations if they switch or under a commitment for a year and there is nothing they can do. There is no refunds on the satellite equipment.
     
  15. Darkman

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    Bob - relax a bit man, eh?
    You can get a heart attack putting so much energy into those posts...It is only TV!
     
  16. Tim

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    Not really. In fact I just dumped cable for a new 508. Got rid of my grandfathered sports pack on D*. In 6 months if I don't like it I'll go a different direction. It's hard for me to be "concerned" over my television provider. I get concerned over much more trivial matters, such as my 401(k), Iraq, and whether or not my kids will be affected by school redistricting in my county.
     
  17. cnsf

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    I just want to chime in here and say that I learned quite a bit from this site, found everyone to be extremely helpful and actually see some of the discussions come to a solution on the E* side.

    The value of this site is unquantifiable and those who administer it are nothing but impartial and objective and donate their time for a cause they care about, not for money.
     
  18. PWenger

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    And just a note, I was actually referred to DBSTalk by DBSForums...I had a question, and someone there was kind enough to link me to a thread here. In any institution, hobby, etc, there are going to be tensions. I just enjoy the news and have received invaluable help from both sites.
     
  19. TimL

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    Despite any real or perceived slant toward D* or E* I would love to think of both sites as supplementing each other rather than being rivals. As I wrote in an e-mail to a DBSTalk founder several of the more active DBS Forums regulars also regularly post here including myself. There will be disagreements but lets remember the big picture. We are all members of the same community. Let's not let sniping get in the way of that. There are no other places on the net you can get the advice and info that you can get at DBS Forums and DBSTalk. I go no place else And I use both sites equally. Lets just keep the focus is all I am saying.
     
  20. dbronstein

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    Me too. I've got a lot more important things to worry about than the direction of my TV service company. As long as I can keep getting the channels I want for a reasonable price and the service is good, I'm fine with Dish. I've had Dish for 2.5 years now and I have no complaints about the service I've had so far.

    Dennis
     
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