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What is left to do on the H21?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV - H21 Discussion' started by Milominderbinder2, Jul 30, 2007.

  1. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    I've seem that back with my first H20, which caused me to shift to black pillar bars.
    Doesn't it also vary with the channel your viewing? "I think" it comes from the SD channel not being "full pixel" and the pillar bars starting a the 640 mark? If this is the case, then the SD program needs to be scaled to the full 640 size so the pillar bars fit, or the pillar bars need to trim some of the SD image. [much like overscan].
    This may not be it at all, but "what I thought" when I first saw it.
     
  2. Spanky_Partain

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    Want to see that network turned on and the purpose of the network revealed to its full planned potential, please!
     
  3. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

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    Mark, I completely agree with you but I think this might be better left to a future CE. This isn't a missing promised feature, so I think it might be best to get the H21s out into the world now and then reveal the new features later.
     
  4. texasbrit

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    Don't know exactly what it is, but the problem is on the H21 and both my HR20s;it might be on the H20-600 as well but it's connected to an SD TV right now so I can't check. I see it on all the SD channels I have tried, but that doesn't mean it is on all of them - maybe someone can post if they DON'T see this problem.
    As you say, it could be the SD image is not quite large enough, or the bars are not quite wide enough. I would have thought widening the bars by a few pixels was a very easy fix.
     
  5. hasan

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    What's left to fix: Stability Issues

    I've had two BSODs in the last three weeks, with the H21 having just sat there and when I returned to it, it was hung. Both times it had been sitting on an SD channel. I've had two in a YEAR on the HR20, so two in a month is not "ready for prime time" for me. Both would not permit menu access for a reboot, so I had to RBR it.
     
  6. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    HDMI to Vizio?
     
  7. hasan

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    Yep...and I've had no obvious trouble with it, as I'm constantly switching back and forth between the H21 and the Vizio HD tuner...and never had a problem. I watch it "sync up" each time I switch with no burps or staggers.:)
     
  8. Sixto

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    Was thinking ... would be neat to have the H21 or some follow-on have an eSATA port.

    H21 only has one tuner but I really wonder how easy (or not) it would be to turn an H21 into an H21 DVR by just adding a harddrive. New codeload of course but wonder how hard would it be to get the HR20 code to run on an H21 ... just dreaming ...
     
  9. Doug Brott

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    Yeah, Sixto, from a consumer perspective, that sure would be a great addition. However, from DIRECTV's perspective, it would probably be just as easy to push their DVR products over having an expansion of a Standalone product. I don't see it happening.
     
  10. PoitNarf

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    Too much work for little to no benefit on D*s part.
     
  11. Michael D'Angelo

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    The hard drive is not the only thing the H21 would need to make it a DVR. It would need other/different hardware.
     
  12. Earl Bonovich

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    But then in a nutshell.....

    You are getting an HR based system... sans the hard drive, which is actually one of the cheapest components in the entire system.

    It would still need everything else that is in a HR based system

    So from a DirecTV point of view.... not very cost effective to have all that equipment out there (the extra pieces and parts), in systems that may not ever use it....

    It would ultimate be more cost effective, for them to replace the H21 (or what ever), with a HR system... for the case/by case basis of those that want to turn it into a DVR.
     
  13. Sixto

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    Yep, certainly understand the last few posts and the need for other components. Was just trying to think through what those other components might be.

    May be a wacky idea but was wondering if there was a way to have a common motherboard between the non-DVR and DVR HD systems. After looking at photo's of the inside of the H21, wasn't really sure that there would be much to add to turn into a basic DVR, especially since the H21 already has the BCM7402 chip which is a sister to the DVR chip.

    Personally, I'd love a disk-less HR20. Not currently using the internal drive in any of the HR20's.

    Ah well, was just a thought. Seemed like common systems (if not too costly) might drive done manufacturing and customer service costs.
     
  14. Stuart Sweet

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    I asked a similar question. To me it makes sense to build all DIRECTV receivers off a common platform, with software or add-on hardware doing the optional stuff. I was told that the engineering costs would outweigh the savings, especially since the low end receivers would actually cost more.

    Also, and we're talking about the H21 here, not the future...

    H21 is an evolution of the H20 platform, not the HR20 platform. It's more accurate (though not completely accurate) to say that H21 is an H20 without OTA, instead of saying it's an HR20 without a hard drive.
     
  15. Sixto

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    Yep LC, lots of smart folks on the west coast, just seemed like a nice long term goal to have one software base running on variations of base hardware.

    Design an H2x, with all the basics. Then figure out a way to either have an eSATA port to turn it into a DVR ... or ... the base is modular enough to have a base+1 which includes all the hardware for an advanced DVR.

    What caused me to think of this is that as I use the H21, the screens and buttons are all there, then started to look at pictures of the inside, and started to think that it would be neat to just plug in an eSATA drive if 90% of the internals are the same.

    Ah well, back to reality ...
     

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