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What is the $5 DVR fee really for?

Discussion in 'Standard Definition Receiver Support Forum' started by jergenf, Jul 25, 2005.

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  1. lpickup

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    What's your concern about Vonage? See the related thread on Vonage. My experience: 921 works fine with Vonage, except, perhaps for CallerID display which comes and goes.

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=43980&highlight=vonage

    ...Lance
     
  2. TonyB

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    I think the point is that the satellite pig could charge for anything that it can get away with - ie. you ALREADY own the box @quite a high cost! I am a bit reluctant in posting the following, since it could give them ideas :nono2:

    1. Fee for having an OTA antenna because you can now get extra "free" stations.
    2. Fee for no OTA antenna because you have a connector on the box that is supposed to be used!
    3. Fee for using the DVI outputs since they have extra lines of code to do that
    4. Fee for using component video since you are suppposed to use DVI.
    5. Fee for having a bad 921 since they might have to ship you a new one.

    ANybody got any other way out suggestions?
     
  3. igleaner

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    Don't forget the fee for getting paper monthly billing in lieu of electronic auto pay.

    They might also drop the toll free number for Dish customer service and force us to pay long distance charges while we sit on hold.
     
  4. jergenf

    jergenf Godfather

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    No only receivers that have dual user mode (spliting tuners to emulate two separate receivers). Example 322, 522, 625, 942 require phone line to avoid the two receiver charge.
     
  5. jsanders

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    The DVR fee is for DVRs with a hard drive of 100GB or more. The 501, 508, 721 aren't that big. The 921 has the 250GB HD, that is why it has the fee. I think it is ironic that it has this fee, along with the 942, because it primarily records only 25Hrs of HD programming. I don't record SD stuff on it. Seems like they should re-evaluate this fee for HD PVRs.

    As for DirecTV/TiVo, that fee isn't per receiver, it is per account as far as I understand. And DirecTV dropped licensing TiVo software, and TiVo went to Comcast. We will see what D* does about those fees in the future.
     
  6. Michael P

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    What does the size of the HD have to do whith the fee? didn't we pay for these DVR's. In essence they are leasing us equipment we already own!

    If they wanted this fee so bad they should have offered the 921 as a DHP/DHA only receiver, as the 522 was originally.
     
  7. Ron Barry

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    Moved out the the 921 support forums because this question covers more than just the 921 and really is not a technical support issue.
     
  8. garypen

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    The 721's hdd is 120GB.
     
  9. Evil Capserian

    Evil Capserian Godfather

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    All I know is the 5 dollars isn't to fund the SETI program . Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence. Because I once got kidnapped by aliens and was never told they exist.
     
  10. Geronimo

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    My whole country was kidnapped by aliens. You get used to it after awhile. Just like the DVR fee.
     
  11. treiher

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    Here's a scary one . . . Fee for receiving software upgrades? They could charge per upgrade or $5 per box which is open to receive upgrades. You buy a buggy 721 or extremely buggy 921, then have to pay extra for their valuable time spent trying to get the thing to work as was orignally promised. I can actually see them trying to pull this one off.
     
  12. djlong

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    It's to pay for the extra CSRs hired to field all the calls reporting the bugs in their software.
     
  13. skidog

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    Good one Chief! Did ya watch Into the West? I thought it was a pretty good show. Not only was your whole country kidnapped your people were killed off because they did'nt think like or act like the aliens, in my opinion a great loss of culture and way of life!
     
  14. Geronimo

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    I thought that it was too slow moving. But yeah the aliens pretty much did win the live production of "War of the Worlds".
     
  15. Evil Capserian

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    Im so sorry Geronimo to hear that. The darn white men came with there dvrs, took away your land and forced all you people to start pausing live tv. They shall all burn in hell especially for the second part. :)
     
  16. garypen

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    Because instead of the natives' microbes wiping out the invaders, it was the other way around.
     
  17. Geronimo

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    The 721 has a hard drive that large and has no fee

    The 7100 and 7200 do not have a hard drive that large but some people paya fee and some do not.

    DirecTV is still licensing tivo software and will be selling Directivos at least until 2007 and perhaps supporting them beyond that
     
  18. jergenf

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    Based on the feedback I've received so far the $5 charge for 921/942 is:

    1) Not going for any license fee paid to Tivo, Eldon or anyone else.

    2) Not for local or 9 day guide feature because other units provide that at no additional cost. Also latest SW updates have confirmed DN's policy, that guide info for local requires additional subscription.

    3) Not for the cost of the hard drive because the unit are completely paid for. If dish was still financing any portion of these receivers then a signed agreement would be required with customer to assume the remaining debt. That is not the case at least with any direct purchases.

    4) Not for the privilege of using the record or pause buffer features, because that's the inherent function of the receiver and dish does not offer non recording capability option.

    5) Not for copyright concerns because data can only be played back on existing unit.

    6) Conclusion seems to be only to collect additional revenue.
     
  19. tsmacro

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    East...
    Not that's there's anything wrong with that! :lol:
     
  20. larrystotler

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    The best way to explain it is that when E* decided to give the 510 away for no upgrade fee, they charged the $5 DVR fee to enable them to recoup the investment. The 501/508/721s were basically prototype units. Technically, if you purchased your DVR outright with NO promo at all, there should not be any DVR Fee. Other than the 9 day guide instead of the 2 day guide, you aren't getting anything extra.
     
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