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What new equip do I need?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by eileen22, Apr 29, 2013.

  1. eileen22

    eileen22 Godfather

    Mar 24, 2006
    Apparently, I am eligible for a free upgrade now as part of the protection plan changes. I have had a CSR tell me that this would be a Genie (prob HR34?) and all related dish & other equipment needed. I do not yet know if that would include any Genie clients for free. I want to call back and clarify all of this with DirecTV, but I haven't had time to do so yet, and before I do, I wanted to get up to speed on the Genie setup and how/if it can work with any of my existing receivers.

    I have:

    1 HR20-700 with external eSata drive
    1 H21
    2 R16 SD DVRs (one of these is only using 1 tuner, because of my coax limitation in this location)
    3 R15 SD DVRs

    Other equipment:
    Slimline 5 LNB dish, 16 port multi-switch
    No SWM, no whole home
    Internet connectivity on 1 HR20-700

    As I have mentioned in another thread, I recently ordered another HD DVR, because we now have another HD TV. I haven't activated this yet, it is a HR21 (which I really didn't want), and I had to pay $149 for it. Now that I know I can get a free upgrade, I will be returning this box for a refund.

    Our other TVs with the R15s & R16s are not HD, which is why I haven't upgraded these receivers in awhile. I would love to have all HD DVRs, but it is cost prohibitive to do so.

    If I upgrade to the Genie, will they need to replace my dish? Or is it just the multi-switch that gets replaced?

    Would the R15s and R16s still work on a new system? I understand they wouldn't have the Whole Home and Genie functionality, but would they still work as standalone SD DVRs? The R16s have recordings that I'd like to keep for now, at least in the short term, if they will still work.

    Would the H21 need to be replaced? I think I read somewhere that it is not compatible with the Genie, does this mean that it won't work, or will it just not have ability to connect to the Whole Home/Genie system?

    I appreciate any feedback/suggestions. Thanks.
  2. carl6

    carl6 Moderator Staff Member DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    Seattle, WA
    In order to have a Genie, you must have an SWM system. The R15 won't work on SWM so it would have to be replaced. The R16 will work, so it wouldn't be replaced. If you get the Genie + (up to) 3 clients, then I would replace the R15s and use the clients in their place.

    So, Genie = 5 tuners, HR20 = 2 tuners, H21 = 1 tuner, 2 R16's = 4 tuners, for a total of 12 tuners. Your WB616 switch would be replaced with an SWM16.
  3. slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

    Feb 14, 2013
    Why would the R15s have to be replaced? She's got a legacy multiswitch now, if she wants to keep them the installer just needs to add four splitters and the SWM16 can be run in parallel with the WB616. Alternatively, the SWM16 has four legacy ports which would allow up to two R15s to be connected if she was willing to give up one of them.

    She will need band stop filters for the R16s, and I think maybe the HR20 also but I'm not sure. The installer would provide those and put them where they're needed.

    Eileen: I'd recommend you figure out for sure what you want to keep as far as those older DVRs. It sounds like if Directv gives you free clients you may be fine with trading out some/all of your R15s. You just want to make sure Directv is aware of exactly what you plan to keep so the installer can be properly prepared. You will want to confirm it with him when he arrives, just in case the chain of communication broke down somewhere on the way from your order to him.
  4. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    what about ceasing MPG guide what old receivers utilize ? will R15 works with APG only ?
  5. peds48

    peds48 Genius.

    Jan 10, 2008
    easy, because DirecTV does not support "hybrid" set ups. If the TS is having DirecTV install the Genie, the R15 have to go. they will be replace at a minimum with R16 FREE of charge (as part of the SWM upgrade)
  6. eileen22

    eileen22 Godfather

    Mar 24, 2006
    How will my HR20 work in conjunction with the Genie and the new SWM system? Will the HR20 and Genie be able to see each other's playlists? Is there additional equipment needed in order to do this? Thanks.
  7. dpeters11

    dpeters11 Hall Of Fame

    May 30, 2007
    They will be able to see each others play list. When they put in the SWM system, a DECA will go on the HR20. They will not be able to set recordings on each other, see the other ToDo list etc.
  8. Jacob Braun

    Jacob Braun King of Awesome

    Oct 5, 2011
    Tulsa, OK
    You'll get up to three clients for free but that does not include the mandatory swaps for the R15s for Clients. In other words, the R15s will be swapped for clients (or R16s if you like) and then you also get up to three clients on top of that.
    So you'll be paying nothing for a ridiculous amount of equipment!
  9. eileen22

    eileen22 Godfather

    Mar 24, 2006
    Do the Genie clients work with SD TVs? Sorry if this is a dumb question...

    So the HR20 will be able to select and view items recorded on the Genie, and vice-versa?
  10. Beerstalker

    Beerstalker Hall Of Fame

    Feb 9, 2009
    Peoria, IL
    Yes, the Genie Clients will work with SDTVs just fine. They do require a special DIN to composite/component video cable though, so you might want to mention it to your installer when he calls about your appointment to make sure he brings one for each SDTV you need hooked up.

    If your SDTV has component inputs you will want this cable:

    If not then you will have to use the composite one:

    And yes, the HR20 will be able to see the playlist from the Genie and play those recordings, and the Genie and it's mini clients will also be able to see the HR20's recordings and play them. Be aware that the Genie can only send it's recordings out to 3 other devices at one time. So if you are watching a Genie recording on your HR20, you will only be able to watch the other Genie recordings on 2 other mini clients at the same time. The HR20 can only send it's recordings out to one other receiver at a time. So if you are watching a recording from your HR20 on one of your mini-clients you won't be able to watch an HR20 recording on any other client or the Genie (but you can still watch another one on the HR20 itself).
  11. harperhometheater

    harperhometheater Legend

    Aug 30, 2012
    Yes they have dongle cables available that have a round "S-Video type" connector on one end that goes into the client box and either composite or component with audio on the other for connecting to your display.
    PS - crap you beat me to it! I gotta learn to type faster :D

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