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What would you do if Dish dropped ESPN?

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by RAD, Sep 9, 2011.

What would you do if Dish dropped ESPN or made it a seperate tier?

  1. Keep Dish and say bye to ESPN

    0 vote(s)
  2. Drop Dish and move to another provider

  3. Keep Dish and pay for an ESPN tier

  4. Not sure what I'd do

  1. Sep 10, 2011 #41 of 137

    inazsully Icon

    Oct 3, 2006
    That equals out to solid "Hardly Ever". Everybody has different tastes but "hardly ever" on those top watched channels puts you in a extreme minority. Nothing wrong with that though.
  2. Sep 10, 2011 #42 of 137

    JoeTheDragon Hall Of Fame

    Jul 21, 2008
    Time for theme packs like in canada.
  3. Sep 10, 2011 #43 of 137

    Jhon69 Hall Of Fame

    Mar 27, 2006
    Central San...
    If Dish Network would have to drop the ESPN's out of AT120 the price would not decrease,but as long as I have been with Dish Network I would imagine that Dish Network would add other channels to the package.For the price we have to pay for the ESPNs we may find ourselves with an additional 10 channels that would replace the 3 we would lose in AT120.;):D
  4. Sep 10, 2011 #44 of 137

    Grandude RichardParker II

    Oct 21, 2004
    When I took the poll I selected that I didn't know what I would do but I do know one thing I would do. I would find some way to get ESPN. I really don't think I would want to drop Dish as I have been almost a charter member. It has been observed that people almost always have the money to buy what they want and I guess I fall into that group.

    I have a wide range of interests and could never do away with receiving TV via cable/satellite as the choices are so numerous and varied.

    Sure, I along with most people, would rather not pay for all the channels I don't watch, and there are a huge number of them, but at this time I don't believe there is another option and I sometimes wonder why people continue to grouse about it. That is the way it is and will likely not change much over time.

    Of course none of this will be important after December 2012.:)
  5. Sep 10, 2011 #45 of 137

    dishrich Hall Of Fame

    Apr 23, 2002
    If you mean for the RSN's, sure - but BOTH ESPN's (1&2) are STILL in it... :rolleyes:
  6. Sep 10, 2011 #46 of 137

    rasheed Godfather

    Sep 12, 2005
    Couple of items.

    An ESPN-free package in some form or another has been around for awhile on most carriers sometimes it is called Family Pack, sometimes it is called Basic Plus among other names. Because it lacks many other 'basic' channels, it is only popular to a smaller segment.

    However, there are a few problems with the ESPN situation (of which the exact details I do not know):

    -The ESPN/Disney (family and kids channels) could be in a bundle price that is much more competitive for Dish to manage than separately (effectively, cheaper to subsidize across a large user base than add it a significantly higher price to a higher AT or Sports tier package.
    -Dish does have to evaluate the demand of major sports on these networks when RSNs are already removed. I could see ESPN move to the 120+ tier very easily, but I am not sure that is the problem or if there really needs to be a 200+ and 250+ sports tier as well.
    -The new C-level executive from Sirius at Dish is not as interested as promoting Dish as a price leader as in previous. So, if ESPN was removed from an AT package, would he be interested in lowering the price? NO. Would adding a bunch of smaller channels to that package be wise? NO, but likely.

  7. Sep 10, 2011 #47 of 137
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    I'm not in favor of crazy price hikes either...

    but a lot of people easily forget that the popularity of a channel like ESPN and having it in the basic packages is part of what enables a lot of the non-sports channels to be able to exist.

    So... while you might not like paying $5 for ESPN, consider that your $5 for ESPN help that package be viable enough to have enough subscribers so that the channel you do watch can be in that package for $1...

    Take ESPN out of that package, and your package price might not go down... it could even go up, if enough people dropped it and your favorite channels then needed to ask for more money.

    Cable and satellite packages are a lot like Jenga... be careful when you pull one of those pieces out to not drop the whole tower that was depending on it!
  8. Sep 10, 2011 #48 of 137

    DodgerKing Hall Of Fame

    Apr 28, 2008
    Good point
  9. Sep 11, 2011 #49 of 137

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Jan 18, 2007
    The Post article in the original post didn't provide a full picture of the situation.

    Dish is the front line for the signal provider industry, and Charlie will be in the spotlight.

    The related story from Broadcasting & Cable yesterday led with these paragraphs:
    From a Deadline New York story on the same subject:
    Cable TV channels are the only profit center at the Disney organization that has consistently made a large profit throughout the past decade, subsidizing the losers among 14 theme parks around the world and Disney cruises.

    Disney is betting that within many homes the ability of those in their preadolescence years to effectively "lobby" for the Disney Channel, combined with the peculiar appeal of the activities of a particular set of skilled celebrities with star quality - professional athletes, will give them a win.

    It may or may not be a good bet. Based on sketchy information, it appears Charlie likes tennis and fishing. If he were to hold out while Disney gradually runs into contract deadlines with the cable companies and DirecTV, it may be a bad bet. But I don't know how strong Charlie's influence will be albeit he and his own a voting majority of Dish.

    But let's not forget this which also may influence Dish's position with the Disney folks:
    IMHO Dish will not absorb a major cost hit for all of 2012.

    I still don't know, though, what's going to be on the table for negotiations. All of the Disney-owned cable channels? Some or all of the Disney-owned ABC broadcast local stations?

    And I don't know how far the Disney folks will be able to push if members of Congress find the natives are getting restless about their TV right at election time.
  10. Sep 11, 2011 #50 of 137

    churdie Legend

    May 4, 2003
    i already dowgraded to welcome pkg and watch football on espn3 online for free
  11. Sep 11, 2011 #51 of 137

    tampa8 Godfather/Supporter

    Mar 30, 2002
    Well said.

    Or... could other popular channels be added that people want? Just as an out of the box thinking possibility, could dish get HBO to put a channel or two in a regular package, not raise the price, and advertise "free" HBO now included? Or call it a "Free Preview" of an HBO channel or channels in the package for a year, etc..... (Or Starz, or whatever etc..) There is precedent for this - Encore is in a regular package. Perhaps some integration with PPV, or Blockbuster, etc also. I think there are some innovative things Dish could do. It might not keep people who are not going to be without ESPN, but it might attract subscribers not otherwise looking to switch to Dish.
  12. Sep 11, 2011 #52 of 137
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    That is a possibility... of course, the drawback be then people would point out how much HBO costs and then say "HBO costs more than the other channels in my package and I don't want to pay for HBO because I don't watch it" and we would be back where we started probably.

    It's the old people-will-complain-about-something phenomenon... If magic somehow allowed ESPN to come out of a package and the package price did come down... people would find the next most-expensive channel and rail against that one next. That's kind of how people's minds work it seems.

    Bundles with other services are a good example.

    Say your phone is $35, your internet is $55, and your cable is $60 per month individually BUT you can get a package deal for $125 total if you subscribe to all three.

    Cool... you sign up... then after a while wish you weren't paying $125 a month and look to save money... a lot of people seem to conveniently forget that bundle discount and start asking "I'm paying $35 for a phone that I barely use since I have a cellphone, so why can't I drop that and keep the other services for just $90"...

    They would try to subtract the full price instead of the pro-rated price due to bundle discounts. And with respect to channels like ESPN... they forget that all of their channels are somewhat discounted as a result of being in a package... so that when you start pulling channels out, it changes the whole dynamic more than they realize OR are willing to recognize.
  13. Sep 11, 2011 #53 of 137
    Jon W

    Jon W AllStar

    Jan 27, 2004
    Bye Bye Dish! I'm tired of the customer getting screwed while rates keep going up regardless.
  14. Sep 11, 2011 #54 of 137

    SayWhat? Know Nothing

    Jun 6, 2009
    Then you really mean bye-bye ESPN, since they are the cause of much of those rate increases.
  15. Sep 11, 2011 #55 of 137

    tampa8 Godfather/Supporter

    Mar 30, 2002
  16. Sep 12, 2011 #56 of 137
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    You must really mean bye-bye to all pay TV... because everybody is seeing rates go up... even Netflix is faced with rate increases and loss of access to some programming.
  17. Sep 12, 2011 #57 of 137

    samhevener Godfather

    Feb 23, 2006
    Keep dish and look for a discount on my monthly bill.
  18. Sep 12, 2011 #58 of 137

    BobaBird EKB Editor

    Mar 30, 2002
    That would be the other channel(s) that command 20% of the wholesale cost while attracting 2.5% of the viewers. One of the prevailing complaints is that ESPN has priced itself into premium territory while demanding placement in the entry-level package. IIRC from a table that was posted quite awhile back, most of the general interest channels are well under $.50 while ESPN is over $4. If the disparity weren't so great, I think the complaints would drop closer to the level of children's/news/artsy/reality-invented/reality-documentary/music/rerun channels that don't get watched.

    I have to wonder, though, where that 2.5% of viewers figure comes from as it seems quite low for a top 5 channel.
  19. Sep 12, 2011 #59 of 137

    Grandude RichardParker II

    Oct 21, 2004
    Figures lie and liars figure.

    I would expect that the number includes all the children, grandchildren and dogs viewing the TV and not just the person paying for the service.
  20. Sep 12, 2011 #60 of 137

    Matt9876 Hall Of Fame

    Oct 11, 2007

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