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What would you do if Dish dropped ESPN?

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by RAD, Sep 9, 2011.

What would you do if Dish dropped ESPN or made it a seperate tier?

  1. Keep Dish and say bye to ESPN

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  2. Drop Dish and move to another provider

    54.4%
  3. Keep Dish and pay for an ESPN tier

    31.4%
  4. Not sure what I'd do

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  1. retiredTech

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    My email asking for ESPN or any other "extremely over priced" channels to be removed from AT120 has been sent.
     
  2. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    My statement there was part of an overall theme... If the argument to pull ESPN out is because it is too expensive... then once you do that some sports-only people will drop the non-sports package. It works both ways. There are lots of sports-junkies that would happily drop the basic tier if they could get ESPN and other sports without having to take the non-sports.

    Then... you would have a package that either costs more for less (your rates probably won't go down from Dish) OR price-per channel on existing channels starts creeping up for no-sport channels... and with less subscribers due to those who do drop for sport-only packages... some channels will want to raise rates to cover that difference in revenue.

    Before long you have the next "ESPN" that is a "niche channel" that costs more than others in the package.

    Also, it seems unlikely that ABC/Disney would move ESPNs to a premium package without something changing for their other ABC/Disney-owned non-sport channels... so either rates go up on those and they stay in the tiers OR they too go premium at a higher cost.
     
  3. pfred

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    From the Morning Bridge: • "It's time to put an end to the ESPN/NFL cartel bleeding American consumers."

    Cartel? Hmmm.

    I got a kick out of that.
     
  4. Stewart Vernon

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    Yeah... if that is a cartel... then what about Hollywood?
     
  5. phrelin

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

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    From Wikipedia:
    American professional football and baseball are public cartels not only shielded from antitrust laws but given other special laws by Congress. Additionally they are given special treatment by many state and local governments. This all is in addition to the copyright protections afforded most sources of entertainment.
     
  6. Gloria_Chavez

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    A few days ago, I said that ESPN would raise its carriage fees by 10% a year, to get to 8 dollars a month in five years.

    I may have been too conservative.

    ESPN is going to demand 7 dollars a month next year. In five years, it could be as high as 9.00 a month.

    And if that's the case, I can see Univision demanding not 1.20 a month as I had said earlier, but at least 1.75.


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    According to analysts, cable subscribers will be forced to fork over $2 more a month in 2012 for ESPN sports channel (which promises up to 500 more hours in additional pro football coverage), thanks to its recently signed 8-year, $15.2 billion deal with the NFL.

    Today, ESPN charges cable operators $4.89 a subscriber. It wants to increase that to $7, and everyone expects that extra $2 will be passed along to customers.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/audible_groans_agEjp5JOGPSLOVhRkFZL3I#ixzz1YKOnfLf0
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  7. Stewart Vernon

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    I don't know if I would take up the argument that either the NFL or MLB are "cartels"... but the previous quote that some (myself included) were reacting to was talking about an ESPN/NFL cartel... and I would argue that is not true.

    Even if the NFL is a cartel (and I'm not sure how I feel there)... ESPN/NFL is not a cartel. The NFL is also on CBS, NBC, FOX, and the NFL Network... For ESPN/NFL to be a cartel then all those other networks would have to drop away OR join the cartel.
     
  8. SayWhat?

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    Whatever you call it, hopefully Chuckie and Company will "Just Say No!"
     
  9. phrelin

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    IMHO the "grower/manufacturer" - the NFL - has a relationship with addicted users - the fans. It doesn't matter who is the user's dealer for a particular fix.

    The NFL determines how much product is on the market and offers it to the "distributors" (both cable and broadcast channels) who bid against each other. They the "distributors" attempt to pass any price increase on to the street dealers (cable and satellite companies). The "dealers" are raising the street price.

    Now, I don't care about any of this until the "distributors", fearful that the addict base doesn't have enough money to support their costs, tell the "street dealers" to mug me - a non-user - as I pass by.

    Yeah, to carry a silly analogy too far, there are theoretical competing drugs on the street. There's "House" on Monday night running against ESPN Monday Night Football. And apparently its "grower/manufacturer" Rupert Murdoch is already killing distributors (Fox affiliates) that wouldn't put up enough money and extort dealers (cable and satellite companies).

    But in my mind the last real attempt at competition with the NFL was the USFL. That ended with the USFL v. NFL lawsuit. Though even the jury in that case acknowledged that the NFL was an illegal monopoly (a second such court finding), we've never seen a finger lifted in the offices of the Department of Justice to bring an anti-trust action.

    Even in Columbia, now-dead prosecutors at least tried against their Cartel.:rolleyes:
     
  10. SayWhat?

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    In this case it will be even harder with so many lawyers, judges and congress critters being active, paid members of the cartel.

    The Government can't break a monopoly when it is an active and willing participant in that monopoly and is involved in defending it daily.
     
  11. albert71292

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    I'm not a sports fan, wouldn't even notice ESPN was missing.
     
  12. inazsully

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    Of course you wouldn't. The true question is, if you were a sports fan, a serious sports fan, what would you do if Dish dropped ESPN? What if you were a parent in a family of 4 and you were the only sports fan and everybody else loved the extra HD channels that only Dish provides? I should ask my wife how she would feel if I dumped Dish and switched to "D". If everybody did that we could have some very interesting conclusions.
     
  13. catnapped

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    Celebrate!
     
  14. dishman1999

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    Holy Cow I guess Bye Bye ESPN I'm going to cry now no College Football Grrrr!!!!
     
  15. harsh

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    There are no such qualifications to this poll.
     
  16. Oct 1, 2011 #116 of 137
    phrelin

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    If you are in a family of 4 with significant financial resources, you subscribe to DirecTV and either keep Dish or get a cable service that has the channels the rest of your family likes. And you "tut-tut, too bad" to the riff-raff that can't afford to keep paying, and paying, and paying.

    Or you get really, really angry at professional (and more and more college) sports and the Disney Corporation and start writing your representative in Congress making it abundantly clear that no matter how much money he/she gets from corporations in his/her various and sundry campaign PACs etc., you and your friends who are real people are not going to vote for him/her until these corporations are subjected to severe anti-trust actions. And you keep Dish and back Dish's position just as I will if my local ABC station disappears because of Disney's greed.

    It's not a great choice, but it's the one we have.:shrug:
     
  17. Oct 5, 2011 #117 of 137
    nomadicallens

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    With the internet, I seldom watch ESPN anymore. If I want to watch highlighs, or get a quick score I go to my computer or my phone. I might miss a few Monday Night Football games, but I'd live.
     
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    dsw2112

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    When does the current contract run through?
     
  19. Oct 9, 2011 #119 of 137
    Gloria_Chavez

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    Fox News Channel wants the "ESPN Treatment", aka "The Don Draper Treatment" as far as PayTv subscribers are concerned.

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/b...nity-at-the-top-after-15-years.html?src=busln

    Fox’s popularity — it’s the No. 4 cable channel in prime time this year, according to the Nielsen Company — has allowed it to gradually raise its advertising prices and its carriage fees and become one of the News Corporation’s biggest profit centers. The company will soon be going back to distributors to renew its carriage deals, most likely for far more than the roughly $1 per subscriber that the channel earns now. Fox had suggested it should be in the same league as ESPN, which costs about $4 per subscriber. Distributors know that some subscribers feel they can’t live without hosts like Mr. Hannity and his all-important lead-in, Bill O’Reilly.

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  20. phrelin

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    I could see that coming a mile away what with the Fox broadcast network's declining ratings. News Corp has to make it up somewhere. But there's a problem with their argument - Monday Night Football pulls in numbers in the 15-25 million viewer range. FNC prime time shows are lucky to get 3 million. Heck, Saturday morning's "Spongebob" gets 4 million.
     

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