When AT&T shuts down sat TV, what will become of the DBS allocated spectrum?

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  1. May 21, 2019 #61 of 107
    dreadlk

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    From what I am reading StarLink is NOT going to be an IPTV service provider. That is not to say that you wont be able to stream Netflix through it but I am pretty sure they will have caps and faps that will make it not worth while for that kind of usage.

    The plan I originally heard was that it was to provide basic broad band internet service to underserved and urban areas across the globe with a hardware system that is supposed to cost the end user under $200 to buy. My take is that he is looking at the 50% of the planets population that does not have access to Internet service. Those people would be happy just to be able to browse the web and maybe look at a few YouTube videos everyday.
     
  2. May 22, 2019 #62 of 107
    James Long

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    The biggest negative is reception. DBS is certainly more turn-key than the old C-band systems ... yet harder to install now than 20 years ago. But satellites reach areas where broadband does not exist. There are places where satellite is impossible or too difficult and places where broadband is impossible or too difficult. Broadband is available in the most populated areas so they are becoming a decent option. I can see where people would consider satellite inferior when it comes to signal reception (both line of sight and weather related issues). Internet has it's own inferiorities.


    When satellite is no longer profitable the market will shift away. AM radio is still profitable. I believe the commercial market will keep satellite profitable for at least the next 20 years.

    Was the original owners of DIRECTV the same Hughes that owns Hughesnet? If so, that certainly shows where their mindset is. Satellites. Even if it is IP, Hughesnet supports satellites.
     
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  3. May 22, 2019 #63 of 107
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    I definitely think the idea is to target people who don't have decent broadband options otherwise and it's quite possible that "what you get vs. what you pay" with this service will make it less attractive than any current broadband services from cable or telco providers (or even T-Mobile's planned fixed wireless 5G).

    It may well have data caps (we just don't know yet) but I don't think they're going to be anything like current satellite internet (which really is for folks who want to just browse web pages, send emails and look at a few short video clips). Maybe it won't end up being a good option for families to route all of their TV viewing through but will be fine for the current average US household that consumes around 200 GB of data per month, regularly viewing Netflix, YouTube, etc. as a supplement to "regular TV" delivered outside the internet through cable/DBS/OTA.

    Here's a claim that's new info to me:

    In the best case scenario, Elon estimated it would take another six launches before the network could even be activated, and twelve to provide enough coverage for it to be usable. After that, SpaceX will begin looking for commercial partners to actually start selling Internet service and distributing their phased-array terminals, likely with rural customers to begin with. At least for now it seems like SpaceX would rather partner with traditional ISPs than go to war with them, which will probably come as a disappointment to those who hoped Elon would shake up the telecommunications industry.
     
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  4. May 22, 2019 #64 of 107
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    I don’t ever see Satellite Television being shut down. Many Restaurants & Bars have DIRECTV for NFL Sunday Ticket & Sports in general. Many people have & will continue to have DIRECTV Satellite for Sports & Out Of Market Games.
     
  5. May 22, 2019 #65 of 107
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    The purpose of science it the determine what IS true. Not to invent what we WISH was true, because it is a fallacy that anything you dream up, with enough money thrown at it, can exist. Somethings cannot. Somethings are not possible.

    One purpose of macroeconomics is to determine, from among all possible things, those which can, either in the free market or via government, can be brought to people in a manner they, and society, can afford. Some things, while scientifically possible, are not economically viable.

    Musk makes all sorts of pipe dream pronouncements about things that do not exist. That if fine, that is his scam and he has grown very rich from it. But reason demands skepticism, and skepticism precludes faith, in Musk or anybody else, including any form of government. It is not proper to say words like "when" and "in 10 years" and "will happen" for technologies that have not been invented, let alone funded.

    Maybe cheap sat internet is possible. Maybe not. I don't know. No one does. When speaking of certainties about the future, substitute "warp drive" or "transporter" or "light sabre" or "raise dead people from 1000 years ago" for whatever you are talking about, and if your sentence sounds illogical, it did before you substitued as well.
     
  6. May 22, 2019 #66 of 107
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    You also have the mobile (campers,etc) that sat supports and would be difficult to provide alternate services
     
  7. May 22, 2019 #67 of 107
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    Eh, sat has just as much on demand ability with an internet connection, which stresses the internet connection a lot less vs an over the top system. My point was it’s as much a wash overall as anything, and it’s rally all about pricing and packages, and that’s what I expect to change more,
     
  8. May 22, 2019 #68 of 107
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    You let me know when Jeff Bezos and other smart money starts making major financial bets on warp drive transporters than can raise people from the dead.

    As you say, no one can know exactly what new technologies will be both physically possible and commercially successful in the future. But before major investors get to the point of burning millions of dollars to produce new types of satellites and launch them into space, they've usually invested lesser amounts in careful feasibility studies, market planning, etc. And if this idea was only being pursued by Elon Musk, I'd be more skeptical. But, as I say, it's not. There are a few different companies pursing the concept. Seems likely to me that at least one will make it a reality. We'll see.
     
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  9. May 22, 2019 #69 of 107
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    Serious question: which streaming apps does the latest generation of Genie satellite boxes support? Back when I had one, it was only Pandora. Did they ever get Netflix or anything else?
     
  10. May 23, 2019 #70 of 107
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    You know if someone had said to me ten years ago that I would see two rocket boosters go to the edge of space and land back to earth simultaneously and hit a bullseye on the ground in 10 years time and oh btw without using a parachute system! I would have said your smoking some good stuff!

    Starlink is not complicated in nature only in scale.
    As I said these sats are small and are made on a production line. The question of it working is not in doubt. The only question is can they fully fund it.

    As for the statement about crazy ten year ventures that have not even been invented. Starlink has not only been invented there are 60 of them up in space already being tested.
     
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  11. May 23, 2019 #71 of 107
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    Most likely 5G will take over those services. That probably won’t happen for at least 5-10 years but DTV and other services will still be around at that point in time. Most likely grasping there last breaths as subscriber levels hits near rock bottom.
     
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  12. May 23, 2019 #72 of 107
    James Long

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    "In the best case scenario, Elon estimated it would take another six launches before the network could even be activated, and twelve to provide enough coverage for it to be usable."
     
  13. May 23, 2019 #73 of 107
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    Many rich people are "one good idea" rich. It is still possible to get extremely rich from one good idea. However, many of these people spend the rest of their lives without doing much else. And, having an amount of money that for practical facts is unlimited, many spend what to ordinary people is vast sums on random ventures. Any good student of history can list 1000s of forgotten failed ventures that previous generations of such people poured 1 or even 5% of their unlimited wealth in.

    The next great tech breakthrough will probably be coming from some kid who is working in his bedroom right now, not from Musk or Bezos or others of the notice me please rich.
     
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  14. May 23, 2019 #74 of 107
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    The next great tech breakthrough will probably be coming from some kid who is working in his bedroom right now, not from Musk or Bezos or others of the notice me please rich.
    That's the guy I'm waiting to give me the kind of service I'm willing to pay for, I agree with you he is out there.
     
  15. May 24, 2019 #75 of 107
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    Well hopefully he quits playing Fortnite long enough to get back to his tech breakthrough!
     
  16. May 24, 2019 #76 of 107
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    I think he’s doing another launch very soon using rocket engines that have done two trips already.
    I think for most of us Starlink will be irrelevant but in Africa, India and most of the Middle East it will be a game changer. Smarter more connected people is the only way for our species to start working towards common goals instead of constantly being under the wheel of dictators, wars and people using us to become as wealthy as kings.
     
  17. May 24, 2019 #77 of 107
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  18. Jun 2, 2019 #78 of 107
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    The AT&T Customer Service people seem to be running with the idea of satellites going away to bash Directv and push Uverse, when I just want to somehow get my old AT&T Yahoo 5 Mb DSL upgraded. $19.95 a month in 2009, it's now $56 a month.
    Every time I get something in the mail from AT&T saying I can get 50 Mbit/Sec with an upgrade for LESS than I am paying for DSL. And every time I fall for it, it' s a one hour waste of time with a high pressure salesman who BASHES satellite Directv (You don't want to keep that --- one or two satellites a year are falling out of the sky, and AT&T has decided not to replace them. People are running from obsolete satellite TV so fast that if you don't act TODAY you'll be on a 2 to 3 year waiting list...)

    There is NO option to get my internet upgraded to 10x the speed for less that what I am paying. It's hard sell of something called Uverse TV, Internet, VOIP phone service, and moving my cell phone to AT&T...and it's always something like over $200 a month (for the first 12 months of a 24 month contract) and how much for the second 12 months? Oh, that would depend on the cost of each individual service at that time AT&T expects people to sign a contract for an amount to be determined?

    So the salesperson gets mad when I say I want to keep Directv, tells me upgrading only the internet speed without bundling "isn't gonna happen." I hang up mad.

    So I never get faster internet..but when AT&T bought Directv , there was supposed to be either a $10 /month credit to help offset the overage fees caused by Directv downloads, or eliminating the 150 GB monthly data limit for AT&T Internet customers with Directv. Never been able to get either discount --- $10 to $20 overage fee EVERY month since AT&T began enforcing caps May 2016. No answers - only excuses My Directv account is TOO OLD (June 1997) to add the discount (but not too old to keep raising the price) you have to combine the accounts to get the discount...and neither AT&T or Directv knew how to do that, or "you combined the billing but that's not the same as combining the account," or "You signed up for DSL when it was cobranded with Yahoo, but Yahoo was bought by AT&T competitor Verizon and AT&T is legally barred from doing anything except disconnecting service. And Verizon tells me they handle the old Yahoo DSL accounts only in areas which in Texas were in the legacy General Telephone territory (When I was a little boy, GTE was so hated that people moved to get Southwestern Bell service) And this one is a howler,but may be true... I am not eligible because lifting the data cap is for customers of AT&T Internet -- and I am a customer of AT&T HIGH SPEED Internet --- which is what they call the SLOW DSL service -- and it's part of the LEGACY COPPER business that for legal reasons operates in Texas under the old "Southwestern Bell Telephone Company" thus it would be illegal and unfair to demand a separate company (but not really) give a discount to someone that is not their customer (but not really) and that AT&T had made so many generous money-losing offers to help "people like me" get off obsolete DSL -- but "clingers-on" like me can only be persuaded to upgrade -- for my own good -- by raising the price for DSL so high it's crazy not to switch-- but if you're stupid enough to keep paying it, we will take your money, but only expect continually worsening DSLit until was to stupid to get off DSL..
    What a shame what Directv has become. And most everything I described here -- bait and switch, creating a false sense of urgency to sign up TODAY, lying about a competing service about to go out of business, false advertising, price gouging, claiming powerless to fix something because an unrelated company is a roadblock -- when in fact both companies have common ownership, overselling (pushing the top of the line package on everyone, regardless of their needs or financial situation) are all DECEPTIVE TRADE PRACTICES that not too long ago would result in heavy fines or even jail for company executives.
     
  19. Jun 3, 2019 #79 of 107
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    Sad that that's how AT&T's salesforce is treating their customers. If you can, I would encourage you to log into your account at ATT.com and shop for services there as opposed to talking to someone. The online system should show you exactly what's available in terms of internet speeds and you'll get the best possible prices online (since AT&T isn't giving a commission to a salesperson).

    The website will, of course, suggest bundling internet with other options (TV, home phone, maybe cell phone) but you do NOT have to take them. You absolutely CAN subscribe to AT&T Internet by itself. Or you can add it to your existing DirecTV satellite TV service. In fact, bundling AT&T Internet plus DirecTV is one of the bundles that the website suggests to new customers! (It also gives you the option to bundle AT&T Internet with Uverse TV, which is a non-satellite cable TV service delivered over AT&T's landlines.)
     
  20. Jun 3, 2019 #80 of 107
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    Don't know if it will work for you but worth a call:
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