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When is 215 coming? (Several merged threads)

Discussion in 'Other HD Receiver Support Forum (811, 921, 942)' started by bluegreg, Jun 6, 2005.

when is 215 coming

  1. week of 6/27

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  2. week of 7/4

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  3. week of 7/11

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  4. not anytime soon

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  1. Jun 9, 2005 #41 of 220
    robkunz

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    Can anyone explain why the 921 won't get NBR? Can't it handle it? Is the software so much different between the 921 and 942?
     
  2. Jun 9, 2005 #42 of 220
    Ron Barry

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    The 921 and the 942 are based off two different code bases. The 921 is based on the 721 and the 942 is based on the 522. My guess no NBR on the 921 was mainly a marketing decision but this is purely speculation on my part. I personally am not aware of any technical reason why. There is a number of opinions on this issue and doing a search would yeld a lot of info on the subject.

    My opinion porting the NBR code to the 921 is not a minor task and with the relatively small customer base (compared to the 508/510 base) , the MPEG-4 migration upcoming, the fact the 942 exists were all factors contributing to why no NBR on 921. I believe this is the same rational why there will be no NBR on the 721.

    It is my belief NBR was never committed to each of these platforms.
     
  3. Jun 9, 2005 #43 of 220
    BobMurdoch

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    Too much programming money to be spent on too few users I'm guessing. Couple that with the fact that they can't get it stable to begin with and I'm guessing that there are other limitations we aren't hearing about (timer conflict resolution problems, etc.)
     
  4. Jun 9, 2005 #44 of 220
    TonyB

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    I doubt that the 942 is based on the 921 - if it is then the 942 is also doomed - I think we all agree that the 921 is on a downward spiral -its just a question of how steep a spiral.
     
  5. Jun 9, 2005 #45 of 220
    Ron Barry

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    Oops. Tony.. that is typo..The 942 is based on the 522 code base. It should read better now.
     
  6. Jun 9, 2005 #46 of 220
    tnsprin

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    NBR was originally for all the Currently available (shipping) DVR's then they started back pedeling.
     
  7. Jun 9, 2005 #47 of 220
    JM Anthony

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    I get tired of people whining about 921's and then asking others to do their bidding. You probably still have someone cleaning up your room and dressing you in the morning. Right?? Yeah, I thought so.
     
  8. Jun 10, 2005 #48 of 220
    Ron Barry

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    As much as I would ike to see NBR, I personally don't consider a mention in Charlie chat as an official commitment. Are you talking about something more than that tnsprin. If I recall, the 921 was not specifically mentioned when those statements were made and they were very general to say the least. THat is how I saw it, but this can definitely be up to interpertation for sure.
     
  9. Jun 10, 2005 #49 of 220
    AVJohnnie

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    I saw that Charlie Chat and it was Charlie himself who made the statement – that being that NBR would be implemented on all Dish DVRs. So if you can’t trust or believe the statements made by the head of the company… then what? Mark has stated in past threads that Charlie’s statement was premature and even stupid. But again, if you can’t trust the statements of the Chief Officer, who’s can you trust? Personally, I don’t care about NBR from Dish – it will never be comparable to Tivo. I would just like what we already have to work without having to treat it like some kind of minefield to be traversed – I don’t think this is too much to ask for. I have no intention of buying or leasing a 942 as an interim pacifier on the road to mpeg4 nirvana – just a quick read through the ever-growing 942 complaints list forum should serve to convince any 921 owner that Dish’s software monkeys are doing a fine job of decaying that receiver into instability too. Nor do I wish for a rush to half-baked, botched software releases which serve to further infuriate an already aggravated customer base.

    And that’s my two cents worth,

    --John
     
  10. Jun 10, 2005 #50 of 220
    BobMurdoch

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    1/3 of what Charlie says never comes to pass. His dates are always off (unless he is announcing a new channel with a firm new start date), his equipment promises much but often falls short, and the big changes he often talks about often don't occur (HD moving to Superdish, etc.)

    Charlie shoots from the hip on the chats and gets a LOT of facts wrong.

    Then again, his greatest strength has been his ability to swing some amazing deals. The Rainbow 1 and Voom deals, his attempt to takeover D* (which WOULD have succeeded if the Feds (led by Rupert and his politicians indebted to Fox News didn't scotch it), and his ability to make a continuing profit in an industry where everyone else has failed to do so (V*, D*, and Primestar). All everyone could talk about was how D* was going to steamroll E* in HD. Yet here we sit today with E* having a 10 channel lead in that area. It should get even more interesting when teh other 11 V* channels come online this year.
     
  11. Jun 10, 2005 #51 of 220
    AVJohnnie

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    Sorry, but I just don’t consider that (his being an historical liar) an exoneration for making misleading statements through a medium that specifically targets those individuals most likely to be affected by such statements. I agree that Charlie is a loose canon – but once the oats are out of the horse … well, then what? Same old story, no accountability. Sad, very sad…
     
  12. Jun 10, 2005 #52 of 220
    Mikey

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    What Charlie says on these chats is what he WANTS to do, at that particular time. Reality sometimes interferes with that wish, and sometimes those wishes are overtaken by events, such as the IEEE-1394 interface being squashed by the MPAA threats.

    There are some announcements made in the chats, and those are generally correct. Charlie's replies to questions from viewers though, is off-the-cuff. It doesn't carry the same weight.

    What you MUST get from E* is listed in your service agreement. Everything else you hear, from a forum, a CSR, or your dog talking to you, should not be taken as a contract.
     
  13. Jun 10, 2005 #53 of 220
    AVJohnnie

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    A quick review of the current “Residential Customer Agreement” makes only one reference to PVR equipment. That being item C in Section 4. to wit:

    C. DISH Network reserves the right to alter software in your DISH Network receiver, and provide content to PVR products, through periodic downloads. DISH Network will use commercially reasonable efforts to schedule these downloads in a manner that result in the least amount of interference with or interruption to your Service.

    I can find no other specific reference, and absolutely none as to any guarantee for providing the NBR feature(s) for any particular DishPVR unit. So I guess one could safely say that all 921 and 721 DishPVR owners have been selectively discriminated against by Dish policy makers as pertains to the omission (at present) of the NBR feature(s) on those units? And of course that’s the out, isn’t it – who’s to say that they won’t do it, some day?

    So I must agree, unless the Service Agreement specifically says that a feature is there or will be provided, don’t bother looking for it. Oops, forgot about the DishWire promise – oh, but wait, that’s okay too, it was only promised in the equipment features list on the Dish Website (***Enabled via future software upgrade) and in the 921 User’s Manual (for future use) - but never mentioned in the Service Agreement – So, we’re good! :lol:
     
  14. Jun 10, 2005 #54 of 220
    socceteer

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    Sory for my ignorance, but what is NBR..?
     
  15. Jun 10, 2005 #55 of 220
    bryan92

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    Records based on a name such as NCIS, JAG, The Shield, ect.
     
  16. Jun 10, 2005 #56 of 220
    kzosat

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    Like they say "talk is cheap". I never saw NBR in writing for the 921. I think they are just gonna ride it out until Mpeg4 comes along (eventhough that may take some time for all the SD receivers), then no one will have a DVR without NBR to complain about.

    AVJohnnie makes a good point on the Dishwire issue too, they hyped that up and up and heck mine still has the open ports (supposedly the later models were covered up). But they got scared of all the companies out there quick to sue under DMCA or maybe they just didn't know how to make them work....
     
  17. Jun 10, 2005 #57 of 220
    AVJohnnie

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    NBR is an acronym for Name Based Recording, which a TiVo does extremely well, though I sincerely doubt that any efforts by Dish programmers to make their PVRs function at the level of superiority attained by TiVo will ever occur. After all, remember, Dish (Eldon, actually) can’t even get the 921 to operate reliably for any substantial duration without the need for nightly re-boots. This too is sad, very, very sad…
     
  18. Jun 11, 2005 #58 of 220
    astrotrf

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    Ron is sort of correct and sort of wrong here. Dish's half-truths and out-and-out lies have contributed much heat and very little light to the topic of NBR on the 921.

    See, for example, this thread:

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=40297

    Aside from Charlie's own statements, which we are to take as merely the ravings of the uninformed, there are the ambiguities of Dish's own web site, as the above thread points out.

    Terry (astrotrf)
     
  19. Jun 12, 2005 #59 of 220
    David_Levin

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    What was the topic of this thread again?
     
  20. Jun 12, 2005 #60 of 220
    kzosat

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    Why NBR won't bring world peace. :D
     
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