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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by KC2LLW, May 5, 2009.

  1. Rich

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    I was asking about the FIOS DVR. The last time I called them up, they laughed at me when I told them I would need multiple DVRs. I was just wondering how much they cost and if they have eSATA functionality.

    So, you agree that the 23 does have slightly better PQ. Interesting. Gotta get one.

    OK, I'll have to make a point of never looking at a FIOS receiver or my heart will fill with lust and all my work with D* will be for naught. I've never driven a Corvette for fear that I would buy one. I drove a Caddy for the first time 12 years ago and my heart filled with lust and I'm on my third one. Obviously, I have a problem.

    If all it's doing is rebooting, I wouldn't get too upset about that. Obviously the NR is causing that. I'm getting random reboots on all my HRs. You just have to live with the consequences of the NRs until the next one comes out.

    I've gotten pretty used to the "slowness" of the HR21s, compared to the 20s, I don't really consider it an issue of great magnitude.

    The 23 HAS to be better than the 22. Mine is virtually unusable. At first only what it did during sports programs annoyed me, but I can't even slip thru commercials on shows like Cold Case. It just sits there reminding me of how stupid I was to buy it. (I know other people have 22s and have no problems with them, but this is ridiculous.) Ordinarily, I'd just brush off the cost of the thing and just deactivate it and send it back, but not this time. I'll play replacement roulette and I'm sure I'll end up with a 23 sooner or later.

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  2. Rich

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    OK, another acronym that I can't figure out. You Make Me Vomit? Your Main Man Victor? Yellow and Mauve Makes Violet? Yummy Meat Means Vigor? Please help me. :lol:

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  3. JGL

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    Rich,
    Are you using a programmable remote to control your HR22? The reason I ask is, I'm using a Harmony XBox 360 remote on my HR20-700 and every once in awhile, it will get 'stuck' sending a command and forward all the way to the end if I use the 'advance to tic' function, or do multiple skips if I use the skip function. It will also advance multiple pages if I am paging up or down in the guide. I've been meaning to re-program the remote, but it doesn't happen often, and a quick keypress of the function brings it back to normal.
    Just throwing it out there for you...

    YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary

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  4. Rich

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    No, I've never been a proponent of any remote except the remote that comes with the device. Just a personal preference. I know what's wrong with it. I've tried a few different D* remotes with it and it is definitely the 22. I have eight other HRs in the house and none of them does the things that my 22 does. I've tried RF and IR modes and it still does it.

    My fault, I should have known better. I don't really have a need for it, haven't used it for a couple weeks. I've got the TV that it was feeding getting an HDMI feed from the HR in the room below it. I don't need it, I don't use it and I'm still deciding whether to go thru getting a replacement or just deactivating it and returning it to D*. I should have bought a 20-700 on eBay.

    Appreciate the thought, I do.

    Yeah, that's the only one I could find too. Don't know what that has to do with the context of the post. Oh well...

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  5. cal87

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    My only point is that there will be some faulty receivers for each of the models. I would imagine that, overall, the number of bad units is probably pretty small. The reports here in this forum are not likely representative of what is really out there. As much as I distrust the DirecTV installers, I would put some weight into what he reports about the HR20-700s being more troublesome.
     
  6. Rich

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    I wouldn't. Not after having an installer watch in amazement as I turned the blue circle off. Not after having an installer tell me I was only getting 50% of the signal, then having the next installer telling me that I was getting near perfect signals. Not after having an installer put two terminators on the input side of a 6x16 Zinwell and blowing out the power supply. Not after spending quite a bit of time teaching an installer how to snug up fittings properly. Not after having an installer hook up a 5LNB dish as a 3LNB dish because he didn't know how to set up a 5LNB. I could go on but...

    See a pattern here? Read the posts, you'll see that the 100s are mentioned the most. I've had a lot of problems with replacement and new 700s, but in the end, I think they are by far, the best of the HRs with the 21-200 coming in a close second.

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  7. netjack

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    so where's the cheapest place to get an owned h23's from? i own all my receivers because I live in a MDU.
     
  8. EricJRW

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    Wonderful...

    The replacement for my HR21 (freezing/lockup problems) just arrived... Guess what it is? An HR22-100. I will swap in the 22 later this weekend... I really hope it's not worse than the 21 (can't be).
     
  9. Rich

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    Aw, maybe it'll work. Atho, I gave my 22 another chance and watched a ballgame on it the other night and it was fine. Watched a couple more shows and it was fine. Last night I'm in bed watching CC pitch in the second inning and I hit the slip button once to go to the next batter and bango, right to the end of the recording. Fortunately, this time I didn't see the score and watched it with no problems this morning on a 20-700.

    I've got some wiring to do and if that doesn't have any effect on it, I guess I'll play replacement roulette (I know I swore I wasn't gonna do it anymore) and see if I can get a 23.

    The thing about it is, I don't really need it. I have two TVs wired up in two separate rooms to one eSATA and that's sufficient. I just hate to lose $180 on something I don't care about.

    I wish you more luck than I have,

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  10. EricJRW

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    Well we are a one-DVR household... So if the one we have does not do its job (missed recordings due to a locked-up receiver really peeve me off) it's really going to be time for me to find new technology. When we miss a show, we can usually watch it off the Internet (I have a computer on the TV now just for that purpose). As more shows become available this way, our need for a DVR, and DirecTV, may be less.

    Well here's hoping our 22 does its job.
     
  11. Rich

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    If I could make a suggestion, the 20-700s on eBay are a good choice. Easily the best of the HRs (just my opinion) and you have the chance of getting an "owned" HR that you can stick a large hard drive in.

    So that makes you a two DVR family. Or, if the 20-700 is reliable, a one reliable DVR and one iffy DVR family. I know a lot of people think I'm kind of wacky (couldn't help but notice the red part of your previous post :lol:) for having so many HRs, but I never miss anything. One of them always records the shows we really want to see.

    If you're interested in the eBay thing, shoot me a PM and I'll give you some suggestions.

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  12. EricJRW

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    Well I'm going to see how things work out with the 22 and go from there.

    Thanks for the insight.

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  13. TXD16

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    I guess it all depends on what your definition of "worse" is.

    While my HR22s have rarely frozen or locked up, everything they do can be measured by the speed of a glacier.

    Good luck with yours.
     
  14. Rich

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    Some of them, most of them have to work. Hope you get one.

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  15. Rich

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    Mine doesn't lock up (I define lock up as a situation where you have to pull the plug) or freeze up (something you can fix with a click or two of the remote). And it's no slower than the rest of the 21s I are. It's the slip button that's killing me. If I just record movies, it's fine. Anything with commercials (I always slip thru commercials) or sports the slip button takes me to the end of the recording. Only made it thru 2 innings last night and bango, right to the end of the recording.

    It puts out a nice crisp picture and aside from the problem with the slip, it would be fine. The slip problem is a major problem for me.

    That "glacial" speed problem you have has been discussed on a thread for a while and I don't recall any conclusions being reached. And it seems that all the HR models do it to some extent. What could cause that? Why don't I have that problem? Three of my 20-700s are really slow, but they have large eSATAs that are pretty close to full. This is common when using eSATAs and filling them up. Doesn't affect the recording or playback.

    Do you keep your hard drives close to full?

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  16. TXD16

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    Have never experienced that particular issue with either of my units.

    I concur that the picutre (and the sound, for that matter) is superb.

    Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), HD empty space has no appreciable affect on the overall speed---GUI, channel entry and change, guide, etc.---it's just all slow, slow, slow.

    Part of my "problem" stems from the fact that I cut my DVR teeth on the R15 units, which are blazingly fast at everything by comparison. With those units, you merely push a button on the remote and everything happens right now! What a concept.
     
  17. Rich

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    I get it occasionally on a 21-700 too. But the 22 is ridiculous. I'm actually laughing as I'm typing. :lol:

    Mine was fine for a while and nothing of any import happened that I can remember. No NRs. This NR had no actual effect on it. I do get a misalignment message every time a few clouds (laughing again) pass over.

    But, yeah the PQ is surprisingly good on both TVs it is hooked to. Sounds good too. But the slip is intolerable. Why did I buy this thing? Man, I'm laughing at myself so badly I can hardly type. I knew something would happen and bango, there it is.

    Oh well, I got a good laugh out of this.

    Maybe it's just the box. Remember when computers used to crash and stay crashed? It'll get better. It will.

    You gotta get past that. That's just torturing yourself. The HR is what it is. Have you ever compared your HRs to other HRs? I really don't mind the speed of even the overloaded 20-700s.

    I would be bothered if I were you. At least I know why my slow HRs are slow. Yours are a bafflement. Just another day in paradise.

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  18. TXD16

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    Nah. I have found a method of coping that usually involves putting on my ruby slippers, clicking my heels together, all the while reciting out loud, "It's only TV. It's only TV. It's only TV."

    And a side benefit is that my wife gets quite a kick out of it, too. :lol:
     
  19. Rich

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    Ah, a youtube moment. :lol:

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  20. lionsnwings

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    Can you explain this? I am not sure I follow you.

    When you say slip button, do you mean fast forward? or the button with arrow and vertical line ->|?

    What do you do when it takes you to the end of the recording? Did it not record the 3-9 innings, or do you just have to rewind back to the 3rd inning? I would not want to rewind every time I skip a commercial (making skipping a commercial longer then just watching the commercial), but that would be better then not recording at all.

    This is a big concern of mine, I often will record a sporting event so I can skip the commercials, half time etc.
     

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