Who has actually switched from HR22 to HR23?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by bighoopla, Jan 7, 2009.

  1. Jan 7, 2009 #1 of 57
    bighoopla

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    Has anyone switched from an HR22 to an HR23 and hooked the HR23 up using the same TV, cables, and dish that the HR22 was hooked to? That would mean all things would be the same except the receiver?

    After doing this, is their a noticeable difference in picture or sound quality with the HR23?
     
  2. Jan 7, 2009 #2 of 57
    Tom Robertson

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    Yes I have HR21's (the same as an HR22 with the smaller disk) but I didn't notice any differences in picture or sound from my HR23.

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  3. Jan 7, 2009 #3 of 57
    bighoopla

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    Fact 1
    DTV has this page on their site describing what they call the "DIRECTV Plus HD DVR".
    http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageNR.jsp?assetId=P4380062

    Fact 2
    They're currently giving new subs either an HR22 or an HR23 depending on availability.

    This tells me that DTV feels they are equal in terms of recording capacity and features.

    This link only compares the HR23 with the HR20 and HR21, but not the HR22.
    http://hr20.dbstalk.com/HR23-700 First Look.pdf

    What am I missing? I want the latest & greatest and need to decide if it's worth replacing my HR22 with an HR23.
     
  4. Jan 7, 2009 #4 of 57
    Michael D'Angelo

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    The only difference is the HR23 has wide band tuners and do not need the BBC's. The HR22 does not and it needs BBC's unless you are using an SWM.
     
  5. Jan 7, 2009 #5 of 57
    bighoopla

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    That makes me think there's more work(maybe extra decoding or conversion of some sort) being done by my HR22, possibly resulting in a slightly inferior picture and sound on my HR22.:confused:
     
  6. Jan 7, 2009 #6 of 57
    Michael D'Angelo

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    Well I can tell you I have an HR21 (same as an HR22 but smaller hard drive) and an HR23 connected to the same TV (both connected HDMI) and don't see or hear any difference.
     
  7. Jan 7, 2009 #7 of 57
    say-what

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    Same experience here.

    I moved my receivers around when I got the HR23. Put an HR23 in place of an HR21 that replaced the HR20 in my bedroom and then connected that HR20 to the same TV as the HR23 (all via HDMI) without any noticeable differences in picture or sound.
     
  8. Jan 7, 2009 #8 of 57
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    You'd be mistaken. The main advantage to the HR23 is from a manufacturing and support point of view: fewer components lowers manufacturing costs and fewer parts (no BBCs) means fewer components to fail, requiring replacement. Wideband tuners weren't economically available until recently, which is why they weren't put in the earlier receivers.
     
  9. Jan 7, 2009 #9 of 57
    Michael D'Angelo

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    Threads merged.
     
  10. Richierich

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    I wonder what kind of Broadcom chipset is used in the HR22 and the HR23.

    Is it the BCM7335 or the BCM7401 in the HR22?

    That could make a slight improvement in PQ & AQ and maybe a boost in speed performance.
     
  11. Mike Bertelson

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    Why would you want to switch from a HR22 to a HR23?

    IMHO, there is no need to.

    I guess I could understand switching from a HR20/HR21 because of the larger capacity.

    I just don't see any reason to drop a HR22 for a HR23.

    As for “perceived’ increase in PQ, I did a blind test. My wife set it up and I came into the room. She swapped back and forth and I was able to pick the HR23 twelve out of thirteen times.

    Now here comes the rub.

    • The differences were so small in some cases it took me several minutes and continuously swapping back and forth to make a choice.
    • My TV is has 768 lines (not 720 or 1080) so how it internally scales the picture may have something to do with it.
    • Some would say that it is absolutely impossible for there to be any difference in picture quality from one DVR to the other and that I'm delusional if it believe I saw any increase in PQ .

    IOW you are unlikely to notice any difference in PQ by merely installing a HR23.

    As far as audio goes, I didn’t really notice any difference in quality.

    My point this is: IMHO if you want the extra capacity, then by all means trade your HR20/HR21 for a HR22/HR23. However, there is no need to dump a perfectly good HR22 for a HR23. :grin:

    Mike
     
  12. LameLefty

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    That's the only reason I swapped the HR21 in my living room for the new HR22 I got a month ago. I wanted an HDTV for the bedroom and ordered a new receiver from Directv. When the HR22 arrived I decided to take advantage of the HR22's larger drive in the location that got the most usage. Simple as that. PQ is the same on both units, cosmetics are the same, etc. Unless someone offered me a free HR23, I wouldn't bother changing a thing.
     
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    When, if ever, is the HR23 going to be available at retail? I would like this box but the HD DVRs offered at D*tvs website are non-specific. What's up with that? Order from their website and with blind luck get a HR23? You get what we've got, you don't have a choice? Also, I see no reason why I should have to explain why I want a HR23.
     
  14. Richierich

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    Directv is allowing me to swap out my HR10-250 for the HR23-700.

    However, since they can't guarantee that I will get an HR23 they have allowed me $99 credit towards the purchase of an HR23 and I just bought one yesterday.
     
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    Where, may I ask, did you buy it? I can't find it at retail anywhere.
     
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    Same here - I'd be interested in seeing where it's available.
     
  17. Rich

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    I always go with the 700s and wouldn't have 100 if I could get one free. And I've been offered a free HR, but with no guarantee as to the model and have refused because I'm afraid a 22-100 would show up.

    Rich
     
  18. Rich

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    That's discouraging, the "First Look" said improved PQ and sound If I remember correctly.

    Rich
     
  19. paulman182

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    I think it is encouraging, not discouraging, that the units we already have may provide the same quality as the new one.
     
  20. say-what

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    It does, and it's been noted in the 1st look thread that it is a subjective comment as there was no way to quantify those observations. But it's not discouraging, the HR23 delivers outstanding AV signals.

    As an example of how subjective this sort of thing can be, my parents originally had an HR21-200 that flaked out 4 months after being installed. They got an HR21-700 as a replacement and they swear the PQ is better on the replacement, although I don't really notice it.
     

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