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Whole Home DVR Service Information and FAQ

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Connected Home' started by Grentz, May 26, 2010.

  1. dhkinil

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    I am sure this is posted and I think I picked this up from other posts, but to be sure as I have to open some walls and I only want to do it once, so, I am going to wire my neighbor's house tomorrow. He got a panasonic with viera cast so I plan to bring an ethernet cable to his tv, if he gets a deca system will he get vod without bringing an ethernet cable to his hr24, in other words if there is an internet connection in his whole house deca system, is he good for vod or do I need to bring a second ethernet port up to the hr?

    thanks

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  2. veryoldschool

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    The DECA network only needs one broadband DECA to access the internet for all receivers on the DECA cloud.
     
  3. dhkinil

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    thanks, you are always the most knowledgeable guy here,
     
  4. veryoldschool

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    Thanks, "but" I may have only posted quicker. :lol:
     
  5. Laxguy

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    My Whole House install is scheduled for Monday, and it's feeling like early Christmas! Plus possibly new software this weekend! Hooo-Aaaaah!

    As I now have an HR 20-700 in the LR, and which will be replaced by HR24 on DECA, is there any benefit to retaining the second wire that's now on one of the tuner inputs on the HR20?

    And will this one wire really carry my home network, allow two recordings on both machines, and watch a fifth program on my H21-100??
     
  6. tkrandall

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    Well, it is one wire from the dish to a splitter, but then separate coax wires to each receiver, DVR, or internet DECA/connection kit. But it is all on one "cloud".
     
  7. Doug Brott

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    When you say "5th program" on your H21-100, I'm going to assume that you are either keeping the HR20 active or you have some other HR unit that you haven't mentioned elsewhere in the house.

    The (new) HR24 supports 2 tuners via a single coax cable and has DECA built in for networking
    The legacy (HR20, HR21, HR22, HR23) HD-DVRs do not have DECA built in, but can still support 2 tuners via a single coax cable and support the use of a dongle to inject network traffic into the coax cable.
    Your H21-100 supports a single tuner, but it will have to rerun the guided setup to convert it from a "non-SWiM" to a "SWiM" configuration.

    That would leave you with 2 tuners per DVR (sounds like you have 2) and one tuner for the non-DVR.

    Each box, DVR or non-DVR would have one coax cable pulled to it. So the second coax currently in the living room would go unused unless you put both the HR20 and the HR24 in the same location.

    If you are not utilizing a second receiver at the same location, you could remove the coax completely or (what I'd do) just tuck it behind/under something so that it's out of the way and not visible. It could be useful in the future. OR, you may end up using that second coax as the injection point for your Internet DECA (Cinema Connection Kit).

    You really have a lot of options on this one.
     
  8. Laxguy

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    DB, tkr-

    Ah, yes, and thanks; it's becoming clearer and clearer. I will have three points of viewing, H21-200 in BR; HR24 in LR, and HR20-700 in Office, though not much viewing there, but it'll be a good place for the 'extra' DVR, which I may move to the LR next to the main (HR24) DVR, so retaining that second wire will happen, out of sight as you suggested.

    And tkr, yes, thanks, too. I was pretty clear that it'd be one wire running to each receiver/DVR. I am obviously not a traffic manager, have slightly more than zero knowledge of packet transmission, but not much! It seems like a lot going on, when one DVR is pulling in two recordings from the same wire that it's sending a signal to another one, all the while (?) handling network traffic, and heaven knows: Much more than that!(?).
     
  9. tkrandall

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    The traffic from the dish vs the whole-home traffic between the DVRs and the internet download traffic occupy different portions of the frequency spectrum on the coax.

    For starters, the SWM is a traffic cop, if you will, that can handle 8 tuners in the frequency spectrum used on the coax and allocated for the satellite programming. It does this by assigning a ~100 mhz (if I recall correctly) wide slice to each tuner. Only spectrum needed for the requested programming signal for each tuner is sent down the pipe. This uses a lot less space than does the traditional stack plan from a non-SWM setup with a slimline dish.

    A portion of this "leftover" spectrum is untilized by the whole-home dvr network for it's traffic.


    There is some good info on how all this works here under the DirecTV forums.
     
  10. veryoldschool

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    Or even this forum:
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  11. Laxguy

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    Hah! Yes, indeed, and I am trying to read several hours a day.... I just find it hard to believe—on one level— that so much info can be throughput just one silly wire. Until reading the forum, I had thought that channel changing was so slow that it - the DVR- had to maybe communicate with the satellite to tell it to beam a different station to me.... well, o.k., I didn't really believe that, but it seemed like it.
     
  12. utlimate_ed

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    I'm looking forward to changing to the whole home DVR setup when I move into my new house in May. My wife has come up with a couple of questions that I haven't been able to find an answer for.

    I understand that a DVR can stream a show out and stream a show in at the same time. Can the DVR still record two shows while streaming? I suspect yes since it looks like those actions are at different frequency bands on the coax.

    Second question - Can a show be streamed to another box, and also be watched on the main box at a different point? Seems like is should be possible since its still just bits on the drive, but I wondered if a show gets "locked" somehow when a local or remote user is watching it.
     
  13. The Merg

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    :welcome_s to DBSTalk!

    Recording shows and viewing them are completely separate. So, you can be recording two shows, serving a recorded show to another receiver while at the same time watching a recorded show from another receiver.

    As for streaming a show to another receiver and watching that same show locally, that is not possible. When you want to watch a show that is being watched somewhere else, the recording has to be Stopped at the one location.

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  14. veryoldschool

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    You seemed to have mixed up locally and "another remote" location.
    You can watch a recording locally [on the DVR] while viewing it remotely [at only one location at a time].
     
  15. The Merg

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    That's what I thought, but I've had issues if I don't Stop it on the DVR I am currently watching on. As I only have 2 DVRs, there's no chance that I'm trying to watch it remotely on a 3rd DVR.

    This issue for me has occurred whether I am watching it remotely on one DVR and then go to the local DVR or vice versa. I'll get a message that the program cannot be viewed right now. As soon as I go to the other location and Stop playback it will work. I'll give it another try later today.

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  16. veryoldschool

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    Started one remotely and then started it locally, "no problems here".
     
  17. tkrandall

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    I have not run into any problems with that either. 3 HRs on my network.
     
  18. Neenahboy

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    I'd like to modernize my parents' D* setup. They currently have an HR20-700 in the family room and a H20 in the basement, and they're still on the legacy Choice Xtra Plus HD DVR plan. Neither receiver has been connected to the Internet before, and hardwiring is not an option at this point.

    I'm getting close to ordering Whole Home DVR, which I understand is now $199 and still includes equipment swaps. They'd need an SWM-compatible dish, and I'd like a HD DVR in the basement to replace the H20. In addition, the HR20 has been displaying classic HDD failure signs for a while now; therefore, while that model can support WHDVR, I'd want it swapped as well.

    My ideal scenario would be swapping the HR20 and H20 with two HR24s and getting the new SWM dis and splitter for a reasonable cash commitment, while being permitted to keep my legacy package. Complicating matters further is the Cinema Connection Kit, which I still don't quite grasp.

    So, my questions are as follows:

    It seems like I'm in a rather precarious position with regard to the receiver situation. How likely am I to get screwed on the upgrade costs?

    My understanding is that CCK is basically the Broadband DECA from the ICK that serves as the central D* equipment hub through my router. Anything else I need to know? Would this be acceptable for my setup?

    Can I do all this and keep the legacy package? There were reports here at the end of the MRV beta that CSRs could update the package, add WHDVR, and revert back. Is this still possible? Also, would the second DVR be covered under this package, or would it be subject to an additional $7/mo.?

    Would it be better to first pester them for account credits to offset equipment purchases from a third party and THEN have WHDVR installed? Is that still essentially the only way to guarantee HR24s?
     
  19. The Merg

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    Questions answered in-line in red... Plus additional comments below...

    With regard to the HR20 that is failing... If you decide to not get advanced credits (or can't get any), you might want to get the HR20 listed for replacement when you have the WHDVR upgrade performed. This way it will be replaced by a tech as opposed to DirecTV shipping one out to you (luck of the draw). The day that your install is to be performed (first thing in the morning), call up the installer and see if they can get your HR24's for both the H20 swap out and the HR20 replacement.

    - Merg
     
  20. WDAQ

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    Please forgive me for not having a clue what I'm doing. I have a question regarding ethernet vs Deca for my situation and I'm not sure where the proper place is to post it. I've been reading and reading and I still have questions. I'll just ask here and feel free to explain to me what I should have done instead of posting it here, if I was wrong to do that. I'm smart, but ignorant. :) I only have 2 receivers, HR23-700 and HR20-700. Currently, the HR23 is hooked to my Netgear router via ethernet cable for VOD. That router is hooked to an old desktop (with a magicjack hooked up to it) via ethernet and wirelessly to a newer laptop, that I primarily use. My plan is to pay $20 for an additional ethernet cable to connect the HR20 to the router and pay the $3/mo for MRV. It seems ridiculous to pay for an entire Deca hook up when I can buy a $20 cable, if that is all I need. Problem is, I'm not convinced that is all I need. I've read about switch ports and all sorts of home ethernet system set ups and mine is so simple that it seems I'm missing something. Am I? I don't have an SWM at all. I have 4 lines coming in from the dish, 2 go to the living room and two go to the bedroom receivers. VERY BASIC and old school. My dish was recently upgraded because the original was so old the plastic was crumbling off. Not sure why I didn't get upgraded to an SWM dish. Because of my setup, I need EVERYTHING to go to Deca and it just seems cheaper to buy and hook up one ethernet cable, if that's all I need. Please educate me on the ethernet hook up and posting on these forums. Thanks from the noobie.
     

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