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Why are DVRs so expensive?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Xsabresx, Nov 14, 2011.

  1. Nov 15, 2011 #81 of 186
    dpeters11

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    At one point, there was a fee for MPEG4, capped at $1 million. I don't know if that's changed. I'd think there would also be HDMI licensing etc.

    Taking out the OTA certainly saved some money.
     
  2. Nov 15, 2011 #82 of 186
    dubber deux

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    But WHY do they FAIL?

    Because D specs them to bring their cost down to very little.

    Maybe they should build the units to be more robust at a slightly higher cost.

    It doesn't cost D* much at all to send out fully functional units returned back from other customers. At the warehouse they probably use windex to wipe it down, have it briefly tested, and then throw it in a box to the next customer.
     
  3. Nov 15, 2011 #83 of 186
    gilviv

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    :beatdeadhorse:
     
  4. Nov 15, 2011 #84 of 186
    veryoldschool

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    I know you're merely guessing here, and the real story is....
    The refurb centers do have two paths that these receivers take.

    1. when there isn't any known technical reason, as they get "the short trip" through.
    2. There is a known, or suspected technical problem, which get "the long trip" through the center. These have an additional eight hours of testing.
     
  5. Nov 15, 2011 #85 of 186
    billsharpe

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    I go back farther than that. I worked for Hughes Aircraft when DirecTV was a subsidiary company. I paid $700 for a receiver, not a DVR, in the early 90's and that was an employee discount price. I owned that one.
     
  6. Nov 15, 2011 #86 of 186
    CCarncross

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    Why do any electronics fail? Why did my 8 month old 2TB WD AVGP drive fail? I think the units are actually lasting a little too long, and before you squawk let me make my point...No one wants anything but HR24's and higher now, but there are literally millioins of HR20-23's out there that havent died yet and are being refurb'ed and sent back out....Please find a new soapbox to climb up on.
     
  7. Nov 15, 2011 #87 of 186
    veryoldschool

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    Don't get me started on the Sony HD SAT200 I bought [circa '03] for $800 that was the biggest POS I've ever had. Even Sony admitted it and replaced it 18 months later with their 300, which did work. :lol:
     
  8. Nov 15, 2011 #88 of 186
    TBoneit

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    I don't know how you can find the time to watch all that content. If it get two hours a night to watch that is a lot. 6 tuners would be wasted on me. I get by with one dual tuner DVR and a single tuner DVD recorder with Hard drive.

    I seem to recall paying a lot for the two RCAs I bought back when, the Sony's were a little higher as I remember it. I remember search took forever. One was a DRD503RB. Don't recall the model on the other one.
     
  9. Nov 15, 2011 #89 of 186
    sigma1914

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    I'm not sure about the OP you quoted, but some factors in life are different for each of us. For example, I am disabled (Muscular Dystrophy) and unable to work so I record a lot of programs and watch a ton of sports. Others may need multiple DVRs for families with different views on what's entertaining.
     
  10. Nov 15, 2011 #90 of 186
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    In my case, it is that I'm retired and watch TV at varying times, sometimes for a short while, other times much longer. And I like scripted shows including the many on broadcast TV. So it takes a couple of HRs just to fill my viewing desires.

    And then there's my adult son. He has terrible taste in shows he wants to watch! :lol:
     
  11. Nov 15, 2011 #91 of 186
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    I have a 10 person family so having 6 DVR's is not out of the question... and you bet as soon as I can get my hands on an HR34 even at #399 I will...

    :backtotop

    Wonder how much the HR34 cost to manufacture?...
     
  12. Nov 15, 2011 #92 of 186
    TBoneit

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    I suppose I should clarify. There are two dual tuner DVRs I use one exclusively and another family member uses the other one.

    Does anyone even make a single tuner DVR? I suspect I'm being redundant calling it a dual tuner.......

    Some users on another forum refer to the DVD recorder with Hard drive as a DVR. It really isn't even though I use it that way for overflow timers. It records at 720 by 480 from the HD local channels. So I get widescreen recordings that fill the screen with one button press on the TV remote with no distortion. Much like a widescreen DVD does. It looks as good since it records from a HD channel. programmable fwd skip and rev skip. It gets me all the sub-channels too.

    if the monthly fees were the same and it had user control so one user could be assigned two tuners and another user the balance of the tuners and the same with recordings. If user 1 was the only one that could watch theirs and user2 was the only one that could watch their recordings.

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    If only the user who created the timers could erase it and the recordings from it.

    Having had to many timers aborted and recordings erased in the past before I could view them.....
     
  13. Nov 15, 2011 #93 of 186
    dubber deux

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    nope, I still don't think you are making any common sense here.

    As long as there are different levels of programming and SD ...HD ..there will be a use for older equipment. If you pay less you should get less.

    Maybe on this board, but many customers are just fine with the older models, your point is invalid.

    Great, this is why D* should spec the equipment to be more robust, you made my point perfectly. Thanks.
     
  14. Nov 15, 2011 #94 of 186
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    That was labor genius probly even less. Material wise I have no clue and neither do you unless your high level at directv.
     
  15. Nov 15, 2011 #95 of 186
    davidpo

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    You would be surprised as to what I understand since I've been in the manufacturing biz for 20+ years. The biggest cost in almost all items manufactured is labor,and if you dont know this labor is dirt cheap in china so cheap it should be illegal.
     
  16. Nov 15, 2011 #96 of 186
    veryoldschool

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    Not sure what you've been manufacturing, but this isn't "always" the case. While the less it gets "touched" the cheaper, sometimes the parts are still more than the labor.
     
  17. Nov 15, 2011 #97 of 186
    Carl Spock

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    Certainly there is always this trade off, dubber deux, but I think DirecTV's DVRs are pretty robust myself. How many HR20s are there still out in the field? My guess, and of course it is just a guess, is hundreds of thousands. Even if it's just tens of thousands, that's pretty good for a piece that is 4-6 years old. My HR20-700 is over 4 1/2 years old. Its hard drive has been spinning away 24/7 ever since then and it still works great.

    Usually when you have mass casualties in a specific model, it's not because of a cheap design but because of one part that goes bad in every single piece. It's often because of an innovative but insufficiently tested design or maybe a poorly thought out parts substitution. Anybody remember the electrolytic capacitor shortage of 12 or so years ago? That caused a lot of failures in particular models (not DirecTV products per se) because last minute parts substitutions were made to keep the assembly lines rolling.

    As to why DVRs fail, it's because the whole univerise is failing. Entropy is real. Iron rusts. Mountains fall. Batteries run dry.

    But then don't get me started.
     
  18. Nov 15, 2011 #98 of 186
    Xsabresx

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    Even I understand that electronics work exactly until they dont. Could be 2 days, 2 months or 20 years.
     
  19. Nov 15, 2011 #99 of 186
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    I agree with you, if you are a new customer they should provide new equipment. I did get 2 brand new DVR's when I signed up. I also delayed my install until they agreed to put in a SWiM dish, before they became standard installs.
     
  20. davidpo

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    True,but it happens more often than not. Small scale manufacturing I'd say the material or parts cost is the highest,but large scale it used to be labor.China has solved the labor part for the companies.
     

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