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Why can't consumers get C-Band anymore?

Discussion in 'FTA / Non Small Dish Satellite Area' started by Bigg, Apr 27, 2018.

  1. Bigg

    Bigg Godfather

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    Why are most channels blocked for consumers with C-Band dishes? Rainier satellite has a select few channels, but most of the popular channels are not available. It would be ideal to be able to receive the original feeds without re-compression, yet it's not available. What gives?
     
  2. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    What kind of blocking they're using ?
     
  3. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Subscription channels like to protect their content. They are under no obligation to offer customers a direct subscription or to offer a subscription through any specific provider. Those "blocked" feeds are intended for the cable and satellite providers who have contracts to deliver their service. If Rainier or another distributor can work out a deal the channels will become available to subscribers - until then end users will need to find other distribution channels (cable, satellite, streaming).
     
  4. RBA

    RBA Well-Known Member

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    Supply and demand is also a big part of the equation. Cband equipment is too expensive with too low a volume to reduce the cost. When C band was popular it required a $1500-3000 investment and a 7 1/2 ft or larger dish, then 18" dishes and free systems put the nail in C-bands coffin.
     
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  5. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    not yet, a lot of C-band sats/programs in Europe and Latin America, so 3.5M [12'] dish is dandy here ;)
     
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  6. Bigg

    Bigg Godfather

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    Well, yes. I would expect strong encryption/protection to be a part of any subscription service. I wonder why more channels don't go through Rainier to make a complete package?

    Or will a vMVPD come along and offer full-bitrate non-re-compressed streaming for an extra fee? With the bandwidth available now, it's not crazy to think that streaming 15-20mbps from a live tv stream wouldn't be that hard.
     
  7. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Perhaps they do not like Rainier's advertising practice of labeling all of their HD channels as "Ultimate HD"? Posing the question "do you have a 4K TV" then listing channels as "Ultimate HD" is very misleading. I would not want to be associated with such a company. (UHD is a 4K format - the channels labeled are not transmitted in 4K. Perhaps they are referring to "non-re-compressed" HD as the ultimate a subscriber can get, but words have meaning and "Ultimate HD" should not be used for a non-4K format.)

    As stated, the providers are under no obligation to deal with Rainier. Perhaps more will - but big dish satellite is not the direction that the industry is going.
     
  8. Bigg

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    True, it's just unfortunate that they won't sell through Rainier or any other company that might get into the C-Band market. I've heard that the original feeds are gorgeous before MVPDs compress the crap out of them, and right now the only provider passing them directly through is Google Fiber TV in the markets that they have managed IPTV. I didn't see anything obvious about 4k on their site other than a coax cable, which of course is nonsense, as RG-59 from 30 years ago can carry 4k if it's modulated the right way. It would look very nice on a 4k TV though.

    Maybe they don't want to be offering a la carte channels on C-band which might anger MVPDs and vMVPDs where the big broadcasters are forcing 20 channels of garbage down the MVPD's throat for one channel they need? It would have to be more of a principle thing though, as it's not like BUDs are going to magically take away the entire cable/DBS market.
     

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