Why can't consumers get C-Band anymore?

Discussion in 'FTA / Non Small Dish Satellite Area' started by Bigg, Apr 27, 2018.

  1. Z_finigan

    Z_finigan New Member

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    Hey. Let me correct you when it comes to today with c band.

    I have had a few boxes at a time on my system. When I had 4dtv. Before the shut down. August 2016. I had 2 4dtv boxes and fta box. My fta box moved the satellite.
    When ever I wanted to use 4dtv. I just set my fta box to NBC. It worked and both of the 4dtv boxes did as well at the same time. And could all be on different channels.
    I use a 4 X 8 powered switch.

    Now. Today there is no reason they could not have a ton of stations on one satellite.
    Most American satellites show only 24 c band transponders.
    But the Mexican satellites have up to 50 c band transponders. Some only 4 mhz apart.
    And that could easily put us over 400 TV stations. On top of that. If we let them put the quality lower like direct and dish. Probably 800 tv stations.
    And with 16 psk. H265. They probably could take every station on all satellites and put them on one.


    So yeah they could have and do have the ability to do it.
    If you have to park on a satellite. The best one with the most stations on one. Would have to be 125w.

    And you have music choice. Which the kids would love the music video channel. It's in HD and fta.
     
  2. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Can you name one? What I see is multiple uplink feeds on the same transponder instead of one combined feed (one mux) per transponder. Those 4 mhz spaced transmissions do not have the same bandwidth as a full transponder feed. You are certainly not going to get eight high quality feeds in 4 mhz.
     
  3. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    well... 3.75 MHz with DVB-S2 3000 Ksps, 32APSK, 8/9, 0.25 would yield 13+ Mbps
    what could be enough for one HD/H.265 channels
     
  4. Bigg

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    The feeds to cable and satellite companies still need to be really high quality, even though most providers are compressing the crap out of them, as the better the source, the more efficient the compression is for them. Still, they could offer residential C-band service with those high quality feeds with a motorized dish or one of the large, wide multi-satellite dishes that the cable companies use to pick up all their C-band feeds with only a dish or two.
     
  5. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    I've seen Comcast facility in Bay Area CA - nope, they have a dozen of big dishes (not a mesh !)
     
  6. Bigg

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    DirecTV, as well as my local cable company, each use only one or two dishes, the main one being a very wide one that gets a whole bunch of satellites. Further, Comcast receives all their signals in Denver and transmits them via IP fiber nationwide, so the dishes you saw are old and out of service.
     
  7. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Light reading from the FCC: FCC Expands Flexible Use of Mid-band Spectrum

    "The NPRM seeks comment on transitioning part or all the 3.7-4.2 GHz band for terrestrial wireless broadband, exploring market-based, auction, and alternative approaches. The Order collects information and certifications from existing users"
     
  8. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    So, it's coming to the End of C-band Era in US … while other part of the World still using it for sat transmissions.
     
  9. Bigg

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    All the major providers still use it, it's just not available for consumers.
     
  10. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    The direction the rule making is going will make it harder for home consumers to get C band service. Commercial transmission and reception will be protected (for companies who bothered to register their transmit and receive dishes) but there is no discussion of protecting potential "direct to home" users. Direct-to-Home C-Band is dead and isn't coming back in the US.
     
  11. Z_finigan

    Z_finigan New Member

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    Not true. Rainer is one. That is dth. It's not coming together as fast as I would like. But you could do what 4dtv did. And Orby is doing. Get a transponder and load 30 channels on it.

    5ghz the way want to use it. Will not work out well. Just watch.

    They should have taken over ku. Once direct TV ends satellite service. Ku is dead. It's been dead to us here. What's it got. 10 worth watching TV.
     
  12. James Long

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    Orby is Ku (FSS).

    Rainier is not guaranteed since home reception will not be protected from future terrestrial services.
     
  13. Z_finigan

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    It was. If you sent the forms in. Then your on the list. They knew about Rainer. As well.

    Well it will be fun to take out the block using a microwave.
     
  14. KyL416

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    Ku is a LOT more than just DirecTV, Dish and Orby. In addition to all those ethnic and religious channels sharing transponders from 3rd parties like Olympusat, Globecast, Encompass and others, the broadcast networks use it to feed their affiliates, along with syndication feeds, news gathering, affiliate news services (i.e. ABC NewsOne, CNN Newsource, CBS Newspath, NBC News Channel, Fox News Edge), live sports backhauls, campus channels, among other things.

    Also, the thing you brought up earlier, having all the channels being available on one sat. That's already done via HITS Quantum who rebroadcasts channels to SES 11 in Digicipher encryption for smaller cable providers who don't have the land or budget to have a full antenna farm at their headend. They were also the ones supplying the feeds for 4DTV receivers after the original master feed 4DTV service ended, until they broke compatibility a few years ago by switching to DVB-S2 modulation so they could increase the HD services available. Since Rainier distributes PowerVu receivers they're also not compatible with HITS.
     
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  15. Z_finigan

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    From what I saw. A video. A guy hacked dc2. He did it the same year. Which end up being why they were in a hurry to shut it down. I had 4dtv till the end. And then we had 40 premium TV channels for a year. In the open in the clear.

    If my 2nd 4dtv box did not die. I was going to use a new fta box s2. And by pass the tuner in the 4dtv box to see if I could use it to tune the open dc2. I never did get the chance. And it's not worth wasting money on a commercial receiver. For a few channels. And the once in a while free previews.
    We get them on the normal c band.

    Oh and back to ku. Galaxy 19. Which has nothing I would ever watch.
     
  16. puremagix

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    There seems to be some confusion about what's available on C-Band. I was in the satellite business for 30 years, selling everything from C-Band to Dish, Primestar and DirecTV. Unlike most dish owners, I never took down by old C-Band dish and did a little scouring the internet for information on digital broadcast.

    I eventually found what I was looking for and have been scouring the sky for new signals ever since. Now, I have 5 C-Band dishes and 4 Ku dishes receiving over 1200 channels free. Some of them include Grit, H&I, MeTV, FeTV and THIS to name a few. All the dishes I have up were salvage dishes people no longer wanted, with the exception of one 7.5 footer I kept from my business.

    You can buy receivers for as little as $50 and LNBF's with WiMax filters for about the same money. I have mine planted stationary because I didn't want the hassle of moving the dish from one satellite to another, but you can get everything I get and more by adding an actuator to the system. I have one dish that's movable so I can search other satellites for free programming.

    Trust me, there are a lot more than 1200 channels especially if you are bilingual. Spanish, Chinese, Japanese of Arabic. For about $500 to $600 you could be watching TV for Free. I'm new to this website, and there may be others that are doing what I'm doing, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents worth in in case someone was interested. I'm adding a picture of my system. Cheers
     

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  17. jack mise

    jack mise New Member

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    enjoyed c band for 20 years, and still have the 10' dish on the roof..with mover. used to get all the tv i wanted for about 65 bucks a year....throw in another hundred and i could get the double whammy movie channels...as long as not currently subscribed. next year i would take the same option for the other two channels. have thrown away the old 4dtv receiver and would like to give your deal a try. i'm in hawaii, so did not get all the sats i would have liked, but still had plenty. this has probably all changed. i have taken a look at a few sats and don't see many clear channels. which can i hope to see here, and what sort of receiver and dish mover do i need. still have the old dual lnb, but don't know if it's any good. currently just using free rooftop ota. with 15 broadcast channels. aloha
     

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