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Why Can't Slow Receivers be Fixed?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by socal404, Mar 4, 2012.

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  1. Rich

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    Should be SATA 2, no? From what I've read SATA 3 would be overkill.

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  2. Rich

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    Exactly the way I feel. I've had Pandora in every room for a couple years and YouTube right next to it with a myriad of other crap, didn't need or want any of them. Certainly don't need music channels, never listen to them. All I ever wanted was a DVR that was a step up from a VCR.

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  3. JeffBowser

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    I've been out of commitment for a pretty long time now. They haven't made any overtures to me at all. On the other hand, I avoid at all costs calling them, so perhaps their degree of niceness relates to how squeaky the wheel is....

     
  4. lparsons21

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    Exactly!! :)

    I don't listen to music or watch bad videos from YouTube on my big screen plasma, I watch TV.
     
  5. eileen22

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    Serious question: do you really think the fix will come to improve the speed of the HD GUI on the HR20s, and if so, why? Thanks.
     
  6. Rich

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    You've got to make them want to keep you. Last time I was out of commitment, I got the DECA install and the new 24-500 and it didn't cost me a cent. I do avoid calling them as much as I can too, but sometimes it's worth the aggravation.

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  7. Rich

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    Just got a new "smart" Panny plasma. Don't use the Net stuff at all. I don't even want speakers on my TVs or tuners. And 3D! How's that working out? The makers of TVs couldn't take a WAG and not jump on the 3D bandwagon?

    This "loading the set with all the crap you can find" syndrome has even made it into cars. TV screens in the dashboard. Think of how many accidents a year that will cause.

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    Yes. Why? History. D* simply fixes what they screw up. Takes them a while, but it gets fixed. Anybody who seriously thought the new GUI wouldn't screw things up for a while wasn't paying attention to the history of these things.

    Don't you find it amazing that the 20-700s are what they are today? I sure do. I thought that they were the worst purchase (I know, lease) I ever made and here I sit with eight of them. History.

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    The HR20-22's I believe are all SATA1 speed(1.5Gb/s) drives and interface, dont know if they moved up to SATA2 or 3 in the later models, maybe in the HR34.
     
  10. veryoldschool

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    Considering what's being written/read, I doubt these are using 10% of the drive speed.
     
  11. CCarncross

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    Maybe not as little as 10%, but nowhere near what the drives are capable of, I agree.
     
  12. veryoldschool

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    If you start with 1.5 Gb/s and divide by 10, you have 150 Mb/s. which would be close to 10 HD streams, so....
     
  13. luckydob

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    Selective history at best. Just look at the CIG issue that has not been fixed to date. Yes, history.
     
  14. kevinwmsn

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    They got it better but definetly a long way from being fixed.
     
  15. evan_s

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    Really doesn't matter. Hard drivers can't transfer fast enough to saturate a SATA connection. The only thing that needs better than sata 1 right now is SSDs.
     
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    Correct. A typical WD Green drive can manage something like 80 MB/s write speeds. A 15Mbps HD feed would require less than 2 MB/s.

    There's also going to be a hit when the disk fills up and the inner tracks are used more, but in terms of raw bandwidth, there's plenty.

    Meaning there's plenty of bandwidth if all the data is written in one place.

    Where things get bogged down is when you interpose a disk operating system and have to start seeking all around the disk updating various structures - or deal with the user requesting guide information off the disk, or playing back multiple recordings.

    The worst case is the disk should be able to handle around 33 seek operations per second (without taking in to account the time to actually write data).

    So, the real world capacity all depends how they structure the disk and perform writes.
     
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    Defragmentation is not a problem. Even if it were, we're talking delays less than 20 milliseconds. Not noticeable to humans. Certainly doesn't account for the 10 second delay in bringing up the list of recordings.

    Put another way, that type of delay would cause video and audio problems. Nobody has reported breakups in picture, so it's not happening.
     
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    I've had a lot of picture and audio breakups since I received 59f. Yesterday while watching a recording of the Daily show, the picture froze for about 20 seconds but the audio continued. These problems started with 59f.
     
  19. veryoldschool

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    Not sure which show you were watching, "but" there was one recently that had transmission problems and did this.
     
  20. tomspeer46

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    I recorded that show on 59e. It was not the fault of the receiver or software.
     
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