Why Can't Slow Receivers be Fixed?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by socal404, Mar 4, 2012.

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  1. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    "Strange" and "maybe" have been around since the first HR20. :lol:
     
  2. dsw2112

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    I believe they didn't make as many HR23's, so that may play into the stats on this.
     
  3. jimmie57

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    Yep, that is very possible.
     
  4. Rich

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    My issues are only with the GUI and commands that use the GUI, for instance, when erasing multiple episodes of a series one by one it definitely is slower. That's just one example, but there are more.

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    I see no sluggishness and I'm sure you're seeing the same thing I am with GUI related commands. Even my MRV has been affected. If I want to watch a program that wasn't recorded on my 500, it takes much longer to access it. Aside from the GUI related commands, I have eight 20-700s and three 24s that are a bit quicker than they were. And a 21-200 that is now quick. I can wait for the GUI related stuff to be fixed.

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  6. jimmie57

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    I don't have one to test but if you leave a folder closed for a series, can't you press the red button and delete the whole folder ?

    How does it work for you if you press the yellow button and mark several episodes and then delete the marked programs ?
     
  7. Rich

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    They gave up on that one very quickly. Wasn't what the First Look said it would be. Mine lasted about a week or so. Hardware problems.

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  8. Rich

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    Yeah, but that takes longer than it used to also.

    Dunno, I'll try it and get back to you.

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  9. PCampbell

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    My HR24s are fast whan on a normal channel, with scoreguide they slow down. My HR20 the guide got much faster with the HDGUI the rest stayed about the same. My hope is if they could speed up the very slow guide they can start to work on the other parts.
     
  10. Rich

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    You'd have to see the size of my UPL to see why I don't use this method much. From reading your post I thought they might have changed the method of using the Yellow button, but it still starts at the top of the UPL and it would take me a while just to get to some of my folders.

    Rich
     
  11. jimmie57

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    I counted awhile ago and I have 13 shows recorded, most ever. I usually have less than 10 all the time. I recorded a few extra that I thought my grand daughter would like when I pick her up from school once in awhile.

    I think my low count must contibute to the speed of operation that i have also.
    I know that even on my super fast I7 processor PC that when I go to the pictures folder I can see it slow down vs the other folders that are just files.
     
  12. proud2bnerdy

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    Just to clarify; its 963 channel down then flash
     
  13. JonW

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    I don't believe the speed issue is any one thing, but rather all the things we're making these DVRs do:

    1) Large eSATA hard disks filled way beyond the original intended 150MB or so of recordings (assuming 2/3 full or so).

    2) Multi-room viewing & networking in general

    3) Merged play list from multiple DVRs

    4) Recording or maintaining dual live buffer on two HD channels

    5) Memory/resource leaks that build up as the unit is operated

    6) Widgets that seemed kind of neat but now mostly waste memory and perhaps even introduce bugs

    7) HD UI causing extra demands on the CPU and video processing

    etc...

    Some of these can actually be isolated if anyone cares to bother. Networks can be disconnected. eSATA drives can be disconnected. Even the satellite feeds themselves can be disconnected.
     
  14. peano

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    I permanently disconnected the 110v plug on mine to solve the problems.
     
  15. keith_benedict

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    Of that list of 7, only numbers 5 and 7 apply (I'm assuming that the DLB isn't maintained if DoublePlay isn't deliberately enabled by pressing the down button twice).

    I have an HR20 and HR21. They are both very slow. Calling up the List takes 5 - 10 seconds regularly. Same goes for the Guide. There's a 5 - 10 second delay playing a recording from the List. Getting back to the List after stopping a recording takes 5 - 10 seconds. Once I'm in the list, scrolling seems fine. For the most part, the Guide scrolls fine, but there are times where it just hangs for 30 seconds or more.

    Further, while the HD guide may *look* nice, it's actually more difficult to navigate than earlier versions of the DVR software. Many features that used to be one or two clicks away are now buried several more clicks away (the ToDo list, parental blocking enabling/disabling).

    My HR20 used to be quite fast. The HR21 was never fast. I wish I could disable a lot of these features and get the performance back that I used to have.
     
  16. harsh

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    Unless you're engaged in the activities, I'm dubious that any of the aforementioned reasons are particularly valid. The graphics rendering is done with custom hardware whether it is HD or SD.

    The problem that remains is the database functions and maybe a little bit of competition for data from the hard drive.
     
  17. keith_benedict

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    Unless they are using a VERY inefficient database, it's hard to imagine that the problems are database related.

    The List and Guide are both very slow to load. They take about the same amount of time to load. Our stock HR20 hard drive has 70% of its capacity left. I can't imagine why it would take 5 - 10 seconds (usually 10 seconds) to load the few items we have in the list, even if they were storing the List in a sequential (non-indexed) file. Loading this data amount of data is trivial regardless of the storage mechanism.
     
  18. CCarncross

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    Your stock HR20 could have a HDD on its way out. Most of what you are describing sounds like a marginal HDD. Its not the actual GUI itself that is causing these units to be slow, but it could be related to other code in the last update you received. Actually painting the screen should be no slower than it was with the old GUI....and parts of it-provided your HR is actually functioning correctly-should be faster.
     
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    My 4.5 years old HR20 got slower and slower after each new FW and the last made it unbearably slow. Few weeks ago I started having some issues with random blank recordings so I ask Directv for a replacement and they sent me another HR20. Right after installing the current NR, with no SL and nothing in the playlist, it was taking a few seconds to display the playlist. After adding some SL, pulling up the playlist took 5-8 seconds. After two weeks of using it, t he playlist takes up to 10 seconds even if only 40% of the disk is used.

    I believe the problem many people are seeing are due mainly to poorly written software and new functionality (poorly written as well) that continue to be forced on user even if they do not want them. At this point the DRV part of the receiver is barely working while I have apps, pandora, youtube, mediashare that I do not care to have and never use. Why can't Directv sell a base DVR and have a premium DVR with all this add ons for who wants them?
     
  20. Rich

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    That's a question that has been asked many times by many people. Not in that form, but in other ways. It's a valid question, but D* isn't gonna change anything. With these big changes we're seeing the only solution is patience and faith that D* will fix all these nasty bugs.

    Rich
     
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