Why Dish over Directv?

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  1. Papa J

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    During rain fade or loss of signal, will the Hopper play the OTA channels brought in via the adapter to the USB port?
     
  2. nmetro

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  3. nmetro

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    What I have noticed is that, with 129, the HD feed will be replaced by the SD feed. I have not had a situation where both feeds went. Though, I will admit when the HD feed dropped I just went to the OTA channel HD feed.

    Of course, OTA can also suffer from rain fade; I live far enough away that this has occurred for very severe storms.

    So, I do not know if the Hopper will automatically go to the OTA feed, if both there is complete loss of satellite signal.


     
  4. Stewart Vernon

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    It will not automatically drop to OTA when SAT signal is lost.

    IF you happen to be there (or already watching OTA) when the signal goes, you can tune to an OTA channel. The problem comes when the signal is lost long enough to lose access to EPG data. When that happens, you can no longer go into the EPG to select a channel and if you aren't already on an OTA channel with signal, then the "acquiring signal" popup essentially prevents you from manually typing an OTA channel to tune to that.

    If you are there to do it quickly upon loss of signal OR already are on the OTA channel... then you can change amongst your OTA channels as long as you continue to have signal there.

    So it's kind of a qualified answer to "can I watch OTA during signal loss"...
     
  5. Jim5506

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    My experience has been that rain fade has never lasted longer that 15 minutes, and all I have to do is press Menu and go to guide and tune an OTA channel to switch to OTA.
     
  6. satcrazy

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    Great...
    I've had both, and Direct's signal was never lost unless the storm was really severe.

    Dish, on the other hand loses 129 [ mostly HD, so that sucks] immediately and 110 & 119 if the rainstorm is really bad.

    So, yes on the rain fade on 129. Dish use to automatically switch to SD right away when this happened, but lately I've had to do this myself.

    Not sure what changed. [ I should clarify the auto-switch still happens, just not every time].
     
  7. mwdxer

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    A lot has to do with how your dish is alighned. Many installers get it in the ballpark and not right on the money. I do all of my own work and the dishes are as close to perfect as I can get them and I rarely lose the signal. It is only when there is a bad downpour.
     
  8. fudpucker

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    OK, I just switched from Dish to Directv, so I'll throw in my two cents worth (which you get for free, so you save two cents!)

    First, I liked Dish. I had DTV from 1995 to 2009 and only switched to Dish when I moved and (at the time) Directv did not have the locals in HD. They do now. I did not want to switch to Dish, as I was happy with Directv, but after I learned the Dish way, I was fine with it. I only switched to Directv because I really want to watch my Chicago Bears (I know, painful, LOL!) and I can only get Sunday Ticket with Directv this year. The last 3 years I have gotten ST via PS3 and the EA Madden offers. The feed on those was much worse that the direct DTV ST, but it was watchable. This year it was DTV or no Sunday Ticket.

    The two are different in their GUI and approach. For example, I prefer the ease of just hitting the record button to set a recording on a show in the guide, and a double hit on the record button for a series recording. You can still go in and modify the options, as with Dish, but so much quicker. Not a biggie, but nice. OTOH, I really prefer Dish's 3 hour guide - 1.5 hours per screen is too small. Again, you get used to it.

    I made sure I got an HR44 Genie, the newest one, and two minis. I am super picky but the speed is fine. The 5 tuners is very nice, and I'm not sure how, but somehow if you have two shows on the same network being recorded back to back the Genie will catch the last two minutes of the first show (the Genie adds a two minute buffer to the end of shows, to catch those annoying last bits after the show guide says the show is over, when you set the default end to "on time") while still starting the second show on time - i.e. it seems to record some overlap on both. Nice touch. We record a lot of shows on channels beyond the big 4 networks and so far the 5 tuners have worked very well for avoiding the dreaded cut off of the last 30 seconds of a show because the tuner had to switch to start a new recording on another channel. Had I stayed with Dish I would have wanted to go with two Hoppers, as there are a lot of times that PTAT + 2 tuners would not have been enough. For DTV, to get more tuners you swap a mini for another HDDVR - the whole house system will work with those as well as the minis.

    The Genie GUI is surprisingly cool. Little things like setting several channels to a hotkey type of setting for fast access, the extra info on shows including a filmography/TVography for all actors in an episode, the extensive on demand listing, just all kinds of cool next gen options. I can't compare to the Hopper so not saying it is "better" - just that I like it a lot.

    Picture Quality - I am pretty picky on that too, enough that I have a colorimeter and do my own calibrations of my big screen plasmas. I didn't expect any difference in PQ, not sure why there would be any difference - but the DTV picture quality does seem to be "sharper". I left the Dish dish up and didn't cancel for a few days so we could burn off a couple of shows on our DVRs, and side by side I could see a difference and my wife could also. I don't think anyone would be unhappy with the Dish PQ - I was fine with it for the last 5 years - but side by side I could see a difference. Not huge though.

    Rain fade - we actually had some weather come through (in Iowa) recently and the DTV signal did not fade when the Dish one did. FWIW.

    External storage: The Genie comes with 1 TB storage. I got an external eSATA 3 TB drive to expand the storage. But on DTV, the external drive replaces the internal drive and it is not portable, it is married to that receiver. So no recording on an external drive and moving the drive around (Although with whole house no real need to.) But it does not expand the storage, it replaces it. OTOH it is as fast as the internal drive.

    One other thing, the Genie series recording GUI sometimes does not show the upcoming shows as marked for recording immediately after you set it up; i.e. I set up Graceland for a series recording, then looked two weeks out and that show was not showing the red double "R" (for series recording, it shows a single R for an episode recording.) The next day it did show it, but for some reason it can take some time to show. The DTV folks tell me it is reliable enough they never worry about looking at the To Do list, but I can be anal that way, LOL!

    Pricing - for the equivalent packages, mid-high package, after all the discounts are off (although DTV seems to be pretty good about giving you discounts just for asking, seems like everyone has those, LOL!) pricing is about the same, Charges are named differently but bottom line pricing is about the same. Channel lineups, all the main channels are covered, DTV has a few Dish doesn't in the package and vice versa. DTV seems to be a little ahead in HD channels but on minor channels (e.g. TV Land is HD on DTV, not on Dish.)

    End of the day, I could be happy with either I think. You get pretty much the same channels for about the same price, you get an advanced whole house DVR system with very cool advanced features (we were able to pick up most of the episodes we had recorded but had not yet watched before we cancelled Dish via the On Demand/Smart Search options on the Genie,) I think you can get plenty of tuners on both systems and options for more. For me Sunday Ticket was the decision maker.

    FWIW
     
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  9. anex80

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    I've had both services in the past. Equipment I've used recently includes the Dish VIP722, the DTV HR24, HR34, and HR44. I've never had a Hopper but I've used one at an extended family member's house and I thought it was ok but the guide and menus were very busy to me. Too much going on IMO; I prefer the simplicity of the DTV guide.

    I've thought recently about switching back to Dish but when I analyze the pricing for the packages I want it would actually be a little bit higher and I'd be giving up 2 tuners moving from the HR44 to the Hopper. I know I could add a second hopper or Super Joey but then the cost increases even more. I recently analyzed all of my scheduled recordings and even with PTAT it would not account for the conflicts I would have on Dish.

    The one thing I will say on PQ is that when I had Dish about 4 years ago my neighbor was on DTV. I always thought his picture was a lot better than mine but I just chalked it up to the TV he had which was a higher end model than mine. However, later in life we both switched providers and now my service looks better than his on the same TVs. Not a huge difference but definitely sharper and clearer.

    The one thing I wish DTV would add is the NFL version of the Redzone channel. I subscribe to Sunday Ticket Max and watch their Redzone channel from time to time but it doesn't compare to the NFL version IMO.
     
  10. thomas_d92

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    I switched to Dish from Directv because of all the extra fees . With Dish I have HD free for life, no dvr fee because I paid one time fee of 40 dollars to turn my 211 into a dvr. So with Dish I only pay for programing , no HD fee and no DVR fee . I only have one receiver so no extra receiver fees. I live alone so I have hdmi feed to six tvs from one receiver. I hate paying extra fees. I only want to pay for programing. With Directv this is not possible.
     
  11. satcrazy

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    Great...
    I have a question, I can't remember now, but does DTV's guide have the ability to highlight the channel which gives you a description of it?

    I know Dish does not, but it seems I had a service that did this[?]

    Minor, I know, just wondering.

    I would consider going to DTV to save some $, but unless I get HD for life, and a receiver with a dual tuner [ like a 222k] to eliminate the extra charge, guess not at this time.


    The other thing I liked about DTV when I had them was the remote, it had a button for the last 5 channels you watched so you could go back. Not sure if that still exists, but Dish would do well to have that option.
     
  12. mexican-bum

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    Ya I have used that feature before to see what a new channel actually is.

    Ya still have the last 5 channels you watched in the Title banner, just select it, that is a feature I have never found useful though but that's just me.
     
  13. anex80

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    You can't do that anymore with Dish. They no longer offer HD Free for Life and charge DVR fees for their Hopper and VIP series receivers. From the research I've done they both have similar fee structures with Dish being slightly higher ($7 for addtl. vs $6 with DTV; $12 for Hopper vs $10 for Genie). I've had better success getting DTV to waive a lot of these fees as opposed to Dish, however. YMMV.
     
  14. fudpucker

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    Yeah, the fees were called different things, but my total fees (after the cost of the actual programming package) for a setup with a Genie and two minis was slightly less than my total Dish fees for a 722 and 2 612s.

    You would think, from reading the Directv forums here, that everyone has discounts on their DTV bill - everyone talks about having a $15 per month discount, a $20 per month discount, etc. and I'm not talking about new customers.

    BTW - FWIW, when I called Dish to cancel, and told them I liked Dish I just wanted Sunday Ticket, they offered me $40 off per month for (I think) a year to stay. But that's the first time I've ever been offered any discounts from Dish.
     
  15. salyavin

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    For me DirectTV does not exist due to their poor international channel selection.
     
  16. mwdxer

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    Here is my rundown on what I pay: Since I own my 211k there is no fee on the receiver. No DVR fees. I did pay the $40 to activate the hard drive, but that was all.

    AT250 $79.99
    Blockbuster $10.00
    Supers $7.00
    Total $96.99
     
  17. Cable Lover

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    If you like to listen to music at home, the Sirius channels on Dish are amazing.
     
  18. satcrazy

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    Great...
    Wait, you can no longer hook up a external hard drive to a 211?

    If you had HD for life, you are grandfathered in. Another reason to consider before you switch.
     
  19. mwdxer

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    Free HD for life is now Grandfathered in, like having the Super Stations? That I did not know. You can be darn sure I will never switch from Dish then. Too much to lose. I am happy with the service anyway. If a newbe wants HD, then there is now a charge? Is it the old $10 extra? I believe you can still have an external hard drive to the 211k. They dropped the fee on that a while back. In time HD will be standard, so there will be no extra charge for it.
     
  20. greencat

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    I was a longtime DTV customer - 15+ years. Switched to DISH a year ago and I am happy with the equipment. There is a learning curve to think Timers instead of Recordings. I wouldn't say the customer service is any better - I think it depends on who answers the phone. I do like the PTA but if I had more tuners I wouldn't need it. I think it is becoming similar to the cell phone business where the equipment is about the same.

    I suggest you get the best deal you can for the programming that you want. I was surprised that I didn't qualify for the BTN with Dish because I am too close to Philly. There is no upcharge for Comcast and $2 for FIOS. Programming is where the action is and the bigger companies have the ability to lock in deals.
     

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