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Why do Americans (as a whole) dislike Soccer?

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  1. Steve Mehs

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    Don't give a damn what anyone thinks or knows. Same could be said for soccer. Like I said in this thread a few weeks ago, I'm not Chandu. I'm not here to try to talk anyone into liking or following hockey or impress with numbers. I enjoy it, and that's all that matters and it is a way of life here in Buffalo, along with Detroit, Minneapolis and others. If it's not your thing that's cool.

    Soccer numbers don't impress me. Just because there's good numbers doesn't mean the sport is any good. NASCAR numbers improve every year, and that has turned into crap. The sport was better when next to know one followed it.

    33 Days until the first Sabres Preseason game, 47 days until the season opener.
     
  2. purtman

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    Steve Mehs,
    Here's the deal. Many people like football because of the "action" . The average NFL game has between 12-14 minutes of action. The NHL has 60 minutes of action. When I was playing hockey regularly I was 6-3 1/2, 245 solid. Add another inch or so for skates and another 20 pounds for pads. On top of that, if I hit a guy full speed, that's close to 25 mph. When somebody hits, he doesn't land on grass. He lands on solid ice. If he's near the boards, they do give a little bit but not much. I love football, but the action in an NFL game doesn't come close to rivaling an NHL game.
    You said you are a Sabres' fan. Just think of how many people you know who didn't like hockey and then went to a game. Usually blown away, aren't they? Those who say they love the action in football and rag on hockey are just missing out.
     
  3. DawgLink

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    Outdoor Life Network? Nobody watched, Nobody cared

    Bowling people....BOWLING
     
  4. Steve Mehs

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    I think both the NFL and NHL are action packed, just in different ways. Baseball, well it's more anticipation and suspense. I throughly enjoyed the Tigers/Yankees game this afternoon. One thing I like about hockey, and this applies to basketball and soccer as well, is they play to the end. Not like in football where if the team in the lead has the ball they'll take a few kneels.

    I got out of hockey for a few years and when I got back into it I forgot how much action is involved and how close things actually are. I haven't been to a Sabres game in a few years now, but this year I'll be going to a few games. And I should be at the Titans/Bills preseason game this Friday to support my Titans.

    DawgLink, ratings don't mean jack to me. The Stanley Cup finals could be lower ratings then a ping pong match and that wouldn't mean anything to me. I don't need numbers to back me up and make me feel important, I like what I like. I hear American Idol is the #1 TV show in the country, you couldn't pay me enough to watch amatures ripping off other peoples songs.

    As for no one caring, no one may care in Katrinaville but I invite you up here to SabreNation next month. Or next April when it comes playoff time, you can't drive a 1/2 a mile without seeing business having Sabres banners and signs on their buildings supporting the team. Hockey like soccer will never be accepted as a huge national sport in America or all of America, but who the hell really cares.
     
  5. DawgLink

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    I don't really care if they mean anything to you. I just wanted to show all these Pro-Hockey people how little their sport is looked upon in this country. Just as soccer is looked upon so lowly in this country even with Beckham playing.

    Another year on a channel nobody knows exists and you may be fighting the WNBA for ratings.

    Are you actually trying to insult me by mocking New Orleans with Katrina?

    I have lived in Detroit. Been to Buffalo. I have seen the Hockey craze...still don't care nor was that impressed by any of it. Been to a Red Wings game, Been to a Capitols game, Been to a Devils game....almost feel asleep at all of them and judging by the TV ratings....the entire country feels the same way.
     
  6. Steve Mehs

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    Thank you for stating the obvious. Hockey fans realize their sport isn't accepted on a national level, Soccer fans like Chandu do not.

    Uh, no. It comes from the new Fox show about New Orleans, K-Ville, in which the K stands for Katrina. You have a problem with it talk to the folks at Fox Broadcasting or News Corp. And please explain to me how I'm running away from the fact when I've clearly said "Hockey like soccer will never be accepted as a huge national sport in America or all of America, but who the hell really cares". You need to read and comprehend better. And you also need to understand the NHL is regional in the US, just like soccer. Just because you know of no die hard fans, doesn't mean they don't exist.
     
  7. Steve Mehs

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    That's you're opinion and I respect that. I wish you could wake up and return the thought. You can't expect everyone to like the samething. But it doesn't mean anything to me personally. I like a lot of things others don't, and others like things I don't. I'm not going to get upset about it, it's called life.
     
  8. DawgLink

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    My marriage attests that I don't feel that way.
     
  9. Chandu

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    Alright now, I've stayed out of all these hockey related punch-bags I couldn't care less about one way or another. But since you keep dragging my name into this, and since you're giving advice of "read and comprehend better" to others, I feel a reverse dose is in order here.

    Here, right from this thread itself:

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=900587&postcount=80

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=900591&postcount=81

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=997685&postcount=172

    Draw your own conclusions.
     
  10. Steve Mehs

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    You're correct, I read it, but didn't comprehend. I was wrong.
     
  11. DawgLink

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    FYI, I will be in one of the first episodes of K-Ville ;)

    Being serious though
     
  12. jcurrier31

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    I think it has to do with one simple thing in America. GAMBLING!!

    American sports are ran by the sports book!! Any sport that can end in a tie doesn't get too much attention. Take hockey for instance, I don't mean to offend the countless Hockey fans on here but you are few and far between in the US. The only place that gets enough snow and ice in the U.S. is the upper Midwest and the upper east coast. That makes up about 25% of our population. Kids in the rest of the U.S don't grow up playing it, don't even grow up knowing about it. So when you grow up and start to gamble, Hockey is not very attractive, Lack of point spread, end in a tie. and so on.

    While soccer is ready available for every kid in the U.S. to play, you play for a couple of years, don't really have anyone to look up to and by the time you get to high school, Baseball, Basketball and Football are the choices for most. I played into my mid teens, even played on some very advanced traveling teams but when it became time, my true blue blood came out and Football, Basketball and Baseball became priority. (Notice being from California, i didn't even mention Hockey even though the Sharks started playing 10 miles away when I was in my teens)

    When kids are forced to make a choice in High school between Baseball or Soccer, in America, it's a no brainer. So that just leaves GAMBLING, and no interest in soccer.

    Just my humble opinion!! (I am just about 30 years old)
     
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    This is an anomaly, I can't believe you would even post this!!

    37,540 Guess what this this number is? oh give up? It was the total of the last 3 games attendance put together for your beloved NY team. Where were all those die hard screaming soccer fans then.

    The David Beckham craze will wear off and you will be back down to 12,000 people a game again!
     
  14. Steve Mehs

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    NHL games no longer end in ties. Although I do think it’s dumb the losing team still gets a point if the game goes beyond regulation. The NHL should do away with the points system and go with the raw record.

    Cool. when it comes closer, post what scene your in and I'll keep a look out. While his character was a prick, I thought Anthony Anderson was great in The Shield and I'll be watching K-Ville.
     
  15. Chandu

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    Your post is an anomaly, I can't believe you would even post it!!

    Clearly shows you're mouthing off without reading any of my posts. Let me go take a shower now, after having read that comment.

    Again, clearly shows you're mouthing off without reading any of my observations in this thread about MLS attendance expectations in general (before and after that post of mine which you quoted).

    P.S. Posting about a historic MLS match on the night it happened in a thread titled "Why do Americans (as a whole) dislike Soccer?" ? How odd of me!!! Whatever would come over me to post something off-topic like that? Maybe I should've posted Ozzie Guillen or whatever his name is, his batting averages instead. :rolleyes:
     
  16. Chandu

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    Somehow, this post had slipped by me the first time.

    Depends on how you measure "marginal" and what expectations one would have to define acceptable levels of popularity. If the expectations were to equal or surpass popularity levels of other mainstream sports, you're certainly correct.

    My personal opinion is that that's an unfair barometer for measurement.

    If on the other hand, it was observed in isolation without bringing in other sports into the equation, the scale of growth and popularity for the sport is astronomical over the last 20+ years. I've already listed multiple points elaborating this in the past in this thread. But just to summarize a few of them:

    • thriving pro league for 12 years with improving financial bottom-line with every single year, a number of teams being in profit
    • many new stadiums going up dedicated specifically for this sport all over the country (and 1 in Canada)
    • corporate sponsorship for the league, individual teams as well as stadium naming rights increasing at an astronomical rate
    • seriously loaded billionaire team owners who have tons of sports business background in mainstream American sports or international sport outside USA, and more business folk waiting in line to join the ranks
    • profit making TV rights package for league coverage on multiple channels
    • TV ratings for specific World Cup matches exceeding TV ratings for specific NBA Finals or baseball World Series games
    • TV ratings for local confederation championship (Gold Cup final) on cable exceeding TV ratings for Stanley Cup final on network TV by 41%
    • successive years of pre-season tours by multiple big name clubs in Europe (as well as Latin America), all of them selling out very fast each year and being profitable
    • 3 independent channels dedicated to the sport 24/7, not to mention too many other channels not necessarily dedicated to the sport but covering events in it respectably
    • amount of TV coverage for the sport increasing year by year, now covering even obscure competitions which would've been inconceivable 15 years ago
    • national team becoming stronger and stronger with very respectable worldwide status (at one time ranked as high as #5 on FIFA rankings - OK, FIFA rankings can get bogus, but it's not USA's fault FIFA ranked them so high. An honest estimate of #10 would've been more accurate.), qualifying for 5 World Cup finals in a row, dominating CONCACAF region in World Cup qualification, making quarter-finals of 2002 World Cup, winning confederation CONCACAF championship repeatedly
    • player pool for national team becoming deeper and deeper due to elite academies funded by corporate sponsors, depth of youth national team skyrocketing, leading to impressive wins against powerhouse countries in Youth World Cup
    • recruitment for American pro players in top level leagues in Europe going up at an astronomical rate, a large number of them actually being starters - not just bench-warmers or reserves - at big clubs

    and so on and so on and so on....

    But sure, that's only due to marginal increase in popularity (over what, 30+ years?) by your estimation. I'll take this "marginal" increase in popularity, let it keep coming! :)
     
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    Sad but true. Gambling is one of the big reasons so many (not most) follow football.

    Hockey rarely ends in ties any more, but football could also end in a tie. The big difference between growing up 10 minutes form a rink for you is that there were no real stars when you were younger. Now Joe Thornton is there. Also, when I was a kid, if there was a 30-below wind-chill and the school buses wouldn't start, we'd go to the pond and play hockey. I'm sure you've never seen 30-below temperatures in San Jose. If you ever grew up playing the game, it's just incredible how it gets in your blood. Years ago when I was out of work, I would go to the local rink for stick time at lunch time. Guys in their 40s and 50s would take long lunches to play hockey during that time. They were skilled and also realized it wasn't the NHL. There was no need to nail somebody who was also out there to have a good time.

    Soccer clearly would be a tough game to bet on because it also allows ties.
     
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    I think that many of those die-hard fans who want to see a special player will be out to the stadium on those nights. Not everybody can get season tickets so they pick and choose the games they can attend. It's like I mentioned in an earlier post, if you get some of the international games over here, those fans will all show up because they don't get to see the games at home.

    One thing that hasn't been mentioned (at least not that I've read) and I'm surprised Chandu hasn't mentioned this is that there are many war veterans who follow the British soccer leagues and have passed it on their sons. When I worked as a sportswriter, we would get many calls from people wanting to know some of the British scores. Now, of course, there's the internet so they don't need to call. But those people will turn out to see somebody who played over in England just because it's one of the better players from what they're used to, not necessarily that it's David Beckham.
     
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    By "marginal", I meant that it's somewhat easier to FIND the sport.

    Ratings for all sports are going down due to a variety of factors. THat soccer is getting up to those lowered numbers speaks well of the sport and poorly of the "established" leagues.

    And don't get me wrong, it's good that today's leagues are in better financial shape. I think one of soccer's problems has been the 'albatross' that seeing 60K+ in a stadium for Pele in the 1970s only to watch the league fold shortly thereafter has done. The NBA is the youngest of the 'modern' leagues and it's over 50 years old. The NHL traces it's roots back beyond the 1920s. The NFL similarly goes way back. Major League Baseball tops them all with the National Leage going back to the mid *1880s*.

    MLS may very well be here to stay. I remember the NASL, MISL and a few others that are by the wayside. Wikipedia has a long list of defunct soccer leagues.

    But, then, it's also easier to find POKER on television these days.

    My personal belief is that HDTV is the best thing to happen for soccer. It's a lot more exciting to *play* soccer than it is to watch with the traditional wide-shots on a 4:3 19" tv. Big hi-def widescreens will allow the game, provided it's shown properly, to "show off" more of the skill and tactics.
     
  20. Chandu

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    There is a day and night difference in soccer climate in USA when there were those 60K+ in a stadium for Pele and 66K+ for Beckham on Saturday. What were the conditions for each of the items in the bullet list in my previous post when Pele was playing in NASL?

    I would like all those who repeat Pele and the NASL which folded thereafter like rote (and this doesn't mean just you personally, djlong; I'm referring to the talking heads in media like Kornheiser, Mariotti who issue categorical directives about things they don't have a clue about) to make an intelligent argument about the state of USA national team at that time and today. Specifically, I would be interested in hearing about what percent of NASL player pool comprised of American kids developed from youth ranks. I would like to hear how many of those Americans in NASL could make the USA national team, and what that USA team would be capable of. I would like to hear how many clubs in top leagues in Europe would be interested in recruiting those American kids in NASL, and the names of those clubs and players.

    MISL is not soccer. I know the "S" in MISL stands for "soccer", there are few crossovers of players between leagues of the 2 sports, but that league and whatever sport it plays has got absolutely nothing to do with soccer.
     
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