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Why is there never as many D* viewers as E* viewers ?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Bowtieman, Mar 1, 2004.

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  1. Steve Mehs

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    I never understood or bought the argument, real techies/high end users tend to have x instead of the other guys. But since have/had both, I guess I’m both a high end customer and low end customer depending on your individual opinion :D For most everyone I know, myself included DBS providers were chosen based on programming, new subscriber specials and other circumstances other then how much you love technology. DirecTV and Dish both have there advantages and disadvantages, depending on what you and your family want. We got Dish on a whim, been unsatisfied with the service for a while then switched. Frankly there’s more to talk about when it comes to Dish with gossip, leaks, chats, and software bugs, and you can put a face to the company. While with DirecTV, it’s kind of boring, but I’ll take boring with a virtually bug free receiver over exciting and on the verge of tossing a 508 out the window. While I wouldn't go as far as Chris and say I remotely miss the 508, I have nothing to say when it comes to the TiVo, because it just works :)
     
  2. Phil T

    Phil T Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    Like Chris and Steve said, DirecTivos are kind of boring, they just work.

    My wife thinks I miss Dish. She keeps asking my why I keep checking the signal strength and system info screen for no reason. :)

    I guess I can still go to the box in the closet and pull the smart card out of my Dishplayer 7100 when ever I want to. :D
     
  3. BobMurdoch

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    Remember.....

    I'm a Mets fan and I was raised Catholic. I CRAVE misery.

    Only Red Sox and Cubs fans have it worse than us....... (OK, maybe White Sox too)
     
  4. stonecold

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    I will break this down real simple

    E* has a unfied receiver base ( minus the dishplayer 7x00) Which allows it to control piracy more effectly.

    D* does not but is working towards it. As most people know on D* that is relativley simple and in most major cities there is a person around every block selling hacked HU cards for D*

    E* hardware design seems to be better. Dish Home blows away any DTV Interactive pos I have seen. Also I have never had a slow guide on even the oldest of E* recivers. aka 1000, 2200 2700. Unlike D* which I have seen had some super slow a$$ guides in the older boxes.

    E* seems Just get the job done. D* doesnt People dont post here as they are busy yelling at people on the phone about how there card not working or there reciver stop working. I have seen some nasty bugs in recivers and the worst thing about it is that most recivers that are pre 4th gen use proms instead of epproms. Which means you are stuck with the bugs until you buy a new reciver. Even the oldest reciever the model 1000 is updateable.


    I rather put up with bugs in my products that can be fix than to have bugs that cant or wont be fix. I have a friend with a 420 with problems... DTV said that the bugs are known bugs but they can not control RCA or force them to make the update. The 420 has had a couple of updates and rca still have not fixed the problems.


    put it simply I would have E any day over D.
     
  5. BobMurdoch

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    whoa! Where have YOU been? Glad to see it isn't all wine and roses on the D* side of the street the way the E* haters like to paint it.....
     
  6. Mike500

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    Sounds strange for a conservative, who also quotes an ultra-Massachusetts liberal Unitarian of his time, like Henry David Thoreau.
     
  7. Tyralak

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    Yep. You pretty much said it. D* has very standardized equipment, and very solid architecture. Fewer problems.
     
  8. BobMurdoch

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    Nah, I'm no conservative..... I want to keep the Dems out of my wallet and the Republicans out of my bedroom. I'm conservative on the economy (cut the budget deficit NOW), socially liberal (let the gays marry of they want), a hawk on the war (having those *******s kill a friend of mine in the Twin Towers will do that -- I went from a dove to a nuke the SOBs back to the stone age mentality in one day), but I'm a firm believer in liberty and I feel that we have surrendered to many freedoms in exchange for "security" (Franklin's warning comes to mind).

    Sooooo, as you can imagine I'm deeply conflicted. Meanwhile, there are no more fireballs over Manhattan with the "warmonger" at the helm, so I'm satisfied for the time being. Having Libya tripping all over themselves to play nice was a nice surprise and hopefully a portent of things to come.....
     
  9. Tyralak

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    That's not conflicted at all. You sound like a Jefferson style Libertarian to me.
     
  10. BobMurdoch

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    Hmmm. Not a BAD role model. Heck of a writer. (We'll just look past that little ole' slave problem for now).
     
  11. Tyralak

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    It's actually a little known fact (more likely, glossed over fact) that he was extremly opposed to slavery. Most of the Founding Fathers were. Jefferson didn't make the world he was born into. He did his best to help change it, but he knew it would take time to get rid of such a deeply entrenched institution. It was hard enough to get everyone to agree on a Constitution. If he would have insisted on removing slavery at that time, it would have never had happened.
     
  12. Wayne

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    I'm an E* sub. I think my 508 is great and I've never had any problems with it. I first came to DBStalk.com to see when my locals were coming to Dish. I got advanced notice and called E* the day they were officially available. I think D* subs will seek this forum out once D* starts adding more locals.

    I keep coming back to read what new channels and features are up next. I also enjoy the speculation/recaps of the Charlie Chats. I like learning the "techno" lingo regarding DBS and HDTV. Finally, I like Tony's Echostar Knowledge Base link and the way he has all the programming info listed (it's better than Dish's website).

    Thanks DBSTalk.com!
     
  13. Chris Blount

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    I can see your point of view but I have a satellite receiver to watch TV, not to play interactive games, pay the bills and look up the weather.

    Also, apparently you never saw the guide for the Dishplayer. That one is pretty darn slow.
     
  14. stonecold

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    Chris:

    You never read any of my other post. I am the proud owner of 4 dps.

    A. Hate to burst your bubble but while it has the Echostar Name on the reciver the hardware pcb layout are all microsoft even the software. Echostar didnt even have there people fab it. Microsoft out sourced it and then sold the units to Echostar.

    Actually The slowness in he guide is directly related to the harddrives in them. The DP had an old Cheap seagate drive in them 10 and 17 gigs depending on wieth or not you got a 7100 or a 7200. They had a whole whopping 512k chache on them. Upgrading now to a standard drive which has 2 megs cache on it makes a large difference guide is much speeder. It near flawless with mine as I have WD 120gig SE drives in there the SE drives are the now Rare 8 meg Cache editions and I dont experience the brief 1 sec black outs any more or some of the other problems dp owners have. Some where fix by the hd upgrade other via the software.

    Again orginal dp = MS so I am not even going to compare it.

    Also note that the same slow guide I have experiece in UTV boxes as they are the polished finished version of the Dishplayer. But amazing share alot of the same bugs.
     
  15. Chris Blount

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    Doesn't matter. They were still E* receivers. Because they have slow guides isn't Microsoft's fault. It was E*'s for contracting them.

    Disagree. I upgrade both of my DP's to big hard drives just like you did and only saw a marginal speed increase.

    Obviously this argument will go nowhere since you like E* so much. I had E* for 5 years and still use a 508 to get the superstations but most of my main programming is now with D*. I like having E* and will continue to enjoy the service.

    I try to remain middle of the road as far as E* & D*. Like Steve said, both have their advantages. Right now though, there is no denying that D* has an edge on how well their DVR's function. No question about that.

    Since you seem to have never had D* or their PVR's, we will have to agree to disagree.
     
  16. reddice

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    We currently have Dish and have nothing but problems with their crappy hardware. Switches are junk and we have to pay a fortune to get ones that work. Looks like I'll be switching to Directv because unlike Dish they make better equipment.
     
  17. Mark Holtz

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    (usual suggestion deleted)
     
  18. Tyralak

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    I don't mean to be dense, but what do you mean by that?
     
  19. Mark Holtz

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    Because I sound like a broken record. Get a DirecTiVo receiver, you won't regret it, also get a triple LNB dish, it only costs $20 more at install time, but is cheaper than replacing it later on for HDTV.

    Chris gave his two cents.

    :welcome_s to DBSTalk.
     
  20. stonecold

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    Chris once again you speak of which you know nothing about.

    I do own Sub to the NFL Sunday Ticket only package with DTV - that I got as I use to be on the nfls short list of people who still watch sunday ticket on cband. ( Called Cband dish was working and out side the house I bought bougth the recivers from the people moving out subed to nfl sunday ticket. So anyway now I am on a nfl sunday ticket only sub for DTV. But as a former hacker and script writer I seen all of DTV Have the largest collection of recivers than most people will ever see.
    UTV - more polished version of the DP still shares alot of DP bugs - Damn you Microsoft.
    Dtivo Series One- great box one of the few dtv boxes I enjoy.
    Dtivo series 2 - nothing all that special that hacks to the system of series one did not slove like the mdeia browser etc.

    But to put it simple if E* way of doing things is not the way to go why is D* trying to be like E* with there newer recivers and pushing uniform interior hw design. Why because DTV is going to start attacking on two fronts the Card front and the reciver front. I think that E* should do more card attacks. as just a cweek or so ago E* attacked code of a private dealer that is big to say that looped card to the point that they are currently unloopable. They need to do more things like this.

    I also think that member here need to know there hardware better.
     
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