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Why not tell the world to get HR24s?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Mike Greer, Jul 15, 2010.

  1. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

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    You do realize that not one person her has said that we should suggest an HR22 over an HR24. The ONLY thing that has been suggested is that IF a new customer ends up with an HR22 that it's not the end of the world.

    Couple this with the fact that it won't even be an issue for most customers. You, yes, but most, no. In fact, I'd venture to guess that most customers would consider sending the installer away, then back, then away again to be drastically more trouble than a "slow" receiver.
     
  2. hdtvfan0001

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    I took the liberty of changing my signature, just to eliminate any confusion "a very small few" may have had on that topic. :D

    By the way...its all true.
     
  3. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Trying to go back to your first post/topic:
    Do whatever you feel you should do.
    Most of the replies have tried to give others experiences with there receivers.

    To use cars as a performance mark:
    You seem to like 0-60 in less than 4 sec [I do too]
    The HR24 is maybe 6 sec, as I'm sure it isn't the fastest DVR ever.
    The HR20 is maybe 8 sec, and the "normally running" HR21/22/23 might be 9-10 sec.
    I know my HR21 would be about this much slower than my HR20.

    It would be interesting [to me] to see what your HR22 does in "my world".
     
  4. harsh

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    You really need to be exceedingly careful about going here or you're going to have to explain the HR21-3. More often than not, the focal point of new designs is manufacturing cost reduction.

    Moore's Law suggests that if you fast forward two or three years in chip technology, you're almost bound to pick up some performance gains.

    Unfortunately the creeping featuritis from the marketroids and having to port the software to a new processor platform are well suited to negating the impact of Moore's Law.
     
  5. Carl Spock

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    Agreed. Since they are almost identical functionally, I have to think the HR21 was cheaper to manufacture than the HR20, and the HR22 was cheaper to build than the HR21, and so on. In fact, I'm confident even with its improved performance, the HR24 is cheaper to build than any of them.
     
  6. TITAN_53

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    Yes, really. Not everyone has the same perception as you.

    (Fixed the quote for you.) Nobody has said not to suggest HR24's when someone asks you, not that we did.

    So you're complaining about how you think Directv will handle their equipment 2 YEARS FROM NOW!?

    What about it? Again, nobody has said the 22's are as fast as the 20's or 24's. I still don't PERSONALLY have a problem with them but YOU do. That's called perception.

    You are not going to convince the people who use the equipment and have their own perception already that they are wrong about how well their receivers work for THEM.

    EVERYONE GO BUY SPORTS CARS! THEY ARE FASTER! YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY BE HAPPY WITH YOUR CAR BECAUES IT'S NOT THE FASTEST! IF YOU ARE BUYING A NEW CAR YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE HAPPY WITH IT UNLESS IT'S THE FASTEST OUT THERE!

    See how rediculous that sounds?

    And for the record, I would not accept anything other than an HR24 at this point. Not because I dislike using the other units but because I am a "latest and greatest" type of person. Not everyone is though.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with your goal of letting everyone know which is the fastest unit, I just think you are going about it the wrong way and shouldn't assume that everyone HAS to have the fastest receiver to be happy with it.
     
  7. LarryFlowers

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    I have watched this thread since it started and I have never seen such a waste of space.

    Mike, if you want to tell people to only accept H24 & HR24 units, go ahead, you don't know enough people for it to matter. You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

    As for the rest, DirecTV is certainly capable of controlling the flow of goods... 95% of the people out there who are DirecTV customers will never know nor understand the difference.

    DirecTV itself is weeding out problem units and they will quietly go away. Two years from now the HR24 will be an antique.

    We have other things to do. Lots of people need assistance with the new DECA set-ups, there are plenty of bugs to deal with so why don't we do what we do best... help out people who ask for it.

    Larry
     
  8. hdtvfan0001

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    No sir...I don't need to be "exceeding careful" about any such thing, particularly when I have used all of these units myself, and am far more qualified to understand what they contain (including viewing them internally as a multiple beta tester) than any Dish subscriber without any real experience on them - no differently than having me tell someone the merits of the inner workings of the VIP series. For that very reason, I don't participate in the Dish zone of this site.

    Respectfully I must say...you're barking up the wrong tree Mr. Beagle.

    A side affect, not "focal point" of the each subsequent new series of HD DVR is cost reduction. Reduced costs happen from construction experience and mass production. It's a goal...a benefit...but not THE goal. The various units over time feature design, hardware component, and other internal technology changes, routinely designed to improve performance and/or add capabilities (most recently 3D, which the HR20 does not fully support).

    Processors, video chips, hard drives, BBCs (internal and external), DECA, and many other things have been introduced in the HRx series since the HR20 unit came out. It's called evolution. The HR24 is simply constructed (at a lower cost based on learned economies and improved manufacturing) featuring the latest needs, coupled with the experience of its grandfather and father units.
     
  9. RunnerFL

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    !rolling
     
  10. dtvmike1652

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    You are 100% correct. When you buy a receiver at a retailer, ie. Best Buy a receipt will print out showing the terms and agreement along with the box itself stating propery of DIRECTV. You can however buy a receiver from someone who previously did own a receiver but would need to be verified by Directv themselves to make sure that receiver is in fact owned and if it was then the buyer would need to purchase a new access card to activate it on their account. From their then Directv would have to change the status of the receiver from leased to owned. Majority of places you see them for sale like retailers, solidsignal.com, and even ebay are leased receivers with a commitment attached to the receivers themselves.
     
  11. Mike Greer

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    By 'real world' I ment that more people are going to get HR21/22/23s than HR20s....
     
  12. Mike Greer

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    Are you suggesting the HR21 was an 'upgrade' to the HR20?
     
  13. hdtvfan0001

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    Having owned both...I'm suggesting things were "upgraded" inside the HR21 from the HR20.
     
  14. Mike Greer

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    I agree except that when the performance is so slow that it stops you from easily doing basic things like entering channel numbers or recording a series by hitting record in the guide then it becomes more than just slow....
     
  15. Mike Greer

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    An 'upgrade' that slowed things down.... That's interesting. When people 'upgrade' their computers the exepct it to get faster not slower. What were there new functions the HR21 had over the HR20 again? They took away the OTA tuner, made it slower, oh the hard drive is a little bigger!
     
  16. Carl Spock

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    I never realized I was so addled and impared when using my HR20 and HR23. I should get help. Since HR24s are in such short supply, do you think I could get government assistance instead?
     
  17. veryoldschool

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    This is why I'd be interested in seeing what "your HR22" did in "my world", since I've never seen anything that bad here.
     
  18. Mike Greer

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    Really - what about the polls showing most people think the Pre-HR24 HRs are slow? Or all my posts about trouble and slowness of my HR22s? Aren't those threads a bigger was of space?:)

    95% of the people won't know the difference and most won't care - I agree. But why it so horrible for new subs to request HR24s to avoid the trouble?

    2 Years the HR24 an antique? Maybe so but I'd bet that in 2 years DirecTV will still be sending out HR21/22/23s to replace defective boxes or for additional boxes.

    You are right about plenty of help and I know you're a big source of help for people around here.

    It doesn't help people to down-play the speed of the HR24s over the others - it helps DirecTV.
     
  19. hdtvfan0001

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    My HR21-200 is so close to being the same as the 2 HR20's I had it here for almost 4 years, the difference would require a stop watch to measure. Also not worthy of even calling it "slower". Heaven know we've heard all about your HR22's being slow a hundred times. That doesn't mean the rest of us share in that experience.

    Your definition of an "upgrade" and other folks is obviously different. The OTA tuner was not taken away - it just changed form to an external unit. That topics been covered at nauseum. A larger drive is an upgrade to most people.

    So this endless and subjective opinion ping-pong is clearly never going to be resolved. If this thread was a horse....I know what they'd do... ;):D
     
  20. Mike Greer

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    Maybe... Give it a try.
     

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