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WikiLeaks & Government Secrets

Discussion in 'The OT' started by SayWhat?, Nov 28, 2010.

  1. klang

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    Wow. It is astonishing to me that these machines with access to classified data are not set up to disallow writing to removable media. :eek2:

    I've implemented policies to do just that in a corporate environment. Not exactly top secret stuff.
     
  2. hdtvfan0001

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    Im its simplest form, and without any politics involved....I fail to understand the purpose, motive, and value of "blast publishing" reams of confidential government documents at all.

    Real reporting would involve taking the time to review the content, determine the significance of both the content and its impact on national security, and then report on it using specific documentation as evidence.

    Stuff like this has surfaced before, but not with mindless information dump delivery - not even close to any kind of "reporting" or "news" - this lacks responsibility and accountability.
     
  3. trh

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    Wikikeaks has released less than 1/2% of what they received. They claim they are vetting the data to ensure the data doesn't harm anyone. They have had these cables since April, so I'm not sure we can say they are just dumping the information indiscriminately. Also their initial releases were to three major newspapers so they could do the real reporting you mentioned.

    Just like when Daniel Ellsburg gave the NY Times 43 of the 47 volumes of the Pentagon Papers.
     
  4. hdtvfan0001

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    That's pretty much what they've done.

    Dump now...ask questions later.
     
  5. Cholly

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    Today's paper stated Pfc. Manning is not cooperating, even to the point of not saying just how much data he compromised. If, indeed, he is the source of all the data leaked to wikileaks (either directly or through a third party), it certainly is a helluva lot more than one CD's worth!
     
  6. James Long

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    Probably to some senate oversight committee in a secret hearing ... but I and the general public really don't need to know.

    My thought is that his task was to look through xxxxx looking for signs of yyyyy. At his level of security clearance he was trusted with the primary documents he was working through but was also granted access to the documents he stole. Perhaps he had access to the documents he stole as a reference ... in case he saw some sign of yyyyy in xxxxx (his task) that referred to diplomatic cables he had limited access to do the research needed without higher clearance or asking specific permission (after all, he was apparently cleared for access to the level of document he stole).
     
  7. Mike Bertelson

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    …in which case the need to cross-reference research could be the reason for access to the whole State Dept. cable database and maybe more than just that. That makes sense.

    However, I wonder what more he might have had access to could be out in the open but not shown yet. :eek2:

    Mike
     
  8. trh

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    In my mind if they were doing this, they would have released 100% of the State Department cables (and other documents) 10 months ago when they received them. They released a video in April (obtained in Feb). Sitting on 99.5% of these documents for 10 months shows some restraint.
     
  9. James Long

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    Dribble out a little at a time as Assange builds up his reputation and prepares for the book tour?

    The game of "I've got a secret" ends when the last secret is told.
     
  10. hdtvfan0001

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    How true...
     
  11. Mike Bertelson

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    That makes sense.

    Is it possible that there could be a limited amount of storage or bandwidth limiting how much is released? I've gotta believe the amount of traffic and downloading has got to be huge.

    Mike
     
  12. trh

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    Or could it be they are actually vetting the materials as they have stated?

    But at this rate, it will take them 165 years to release all their data (which isn't going to happen).
     
  13. QuickDrop

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    Alas, we live in the "Information Age" and this might be the first fully public test as it relates to Constitution.

    My basic reaction is similar to yours. No matter what one thinks of the supposed bias of the mainstream press if the Washington Post or the New York Times got this all this information they would have gone through it with a fine tooth comb and seriously weighed what qualified as a public's right to know and what was simply "stuff" that had no true news value except to cause diplomatic disturbance. The information that provoked conflict between the right to know and possible harm to the US government would almost certainly been brought to the attention of the federal government and the journalists would almost certainly have done their best to have done to be responsible to all their obligations. My opinion can be accused as elitist because it does support the idea of "gatekeepers" and I think that's fair. However, my general opinion is that while I fully support opposition to people in power, whether they be in the public or private sector, I believe that opposition should be as willing to accept responsibility for its actions as it expects those they oppose.

    That this was "merely" a massive information dump and not targeted to against a specific injustice is why I have little problem (short of his execution) with prosecuting the person who actually leaked the information while having serious moral questions about the attacks on Wikileaks itself and the possible attacks on third parties who report on it, whether they be newspapers or a citizen with a twitter account.
     
  14. SayWhat?

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    Wiki II off and running:

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/web/12/12/wikileaks.rival/index.html?hpt=T2

    How many more to come?
     
  15. hdtvfan0001

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    The information age is only about a different delivery channel.

    I hadn't noticed anyplace in the constitution where it mentioned anything about the right to assist your national enemies or undermine your governmental operations. Oh wait....there's that treason section...never mind...not going down that political road. :p:D
     
  16. Cholly

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    The thing that disturbs me is the fact that these organizations have a mission to disseminate informatin received anonomously tegardless of content. What's next? Release of all our personal information (bank accounts, balances, credit card info, credit history, etc.)?
     
  17. hdtvfan0001

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    This pretty much covers it...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism
     
  18. Stewart Vernon

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    From some of the things I've heard in the news lately... it sounds to me like our personal information is already being leaked and (in some cases) sold today.

    Seems like every month or so I hear of another situation where private information has been leaked.

    I got an email the other day from McDonald's of all places! That said their database had been compromised...
     
  19. hdtvfan0001

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    At this point...if its on the web or someone else's server...you can assume its available to many others, or available to hackers. Those seems to be the real case examples we see day in and day out.
     
  20. QuickDrop

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    The Information Age is different and it's not simply about a delivery system. If you can't tell the difference between raw data released directly to the public and journalism that examines the raw data and fashions news narratives from that data, than I don't know what to tell you. You're correct though in the sense that our government trying to put the publisher of either into jail (or worse) could be trampling on the Constitution.

    As for the second bit, I've said repeatedly that the US citizen who leaked the information should go to jail. However essentially every foreign leader or foreign journalist has probably said something negative about the United States at some point and the United States doesn't get some sort of special privileged of never getting questioned about their actions. The United States isn't the world and the United States isn't God. Following your logic, the U.S. should be turning over their citizens left and right to be prosecuted by the Iranian government for using freedom of speech and the press to possibly undermine their government.
     

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